Johnny Grier Status

edman42 · #1 (**permalink**) Fri Oct 22, 2004, 03:33pm

I was just informed that Johnny Grier may be out for the year and Scott Green will become referee of the crew, inside sources that are close informed me.

JugglingReferee · #2 (**permalink**) Sat Oct 23, 2004, 02:51am

I wish Johnny a full recovery and Scott and the rest of the crew kudos to a job well done so far and continued success.

Forksref · #3 (**permalink**) Sat Oct 23, 2004, 11:27am

What happened to Johnny?

Snake~eyes · #4 (**permalink**) Sun Oct 24, 2004, 02:26pm

Umm, he's working today ain't he?

OverAndBack · #5 (**permalink**) Sun Oct 24, 2004, 02:46pm

He hasn't worked since 10/3 New England at Buffalo. I have only seen one game today, so I don't know if he's working today or not.

Snake~eyes · #6 (**permalink**) Sun Oct 24, 2004, 04:09pm

It was in the Rams/Dolphins game, look here: http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/gamebo...041024_STL@MIA

rdfox · #7 (**permalink**) Sun Oct 24, 2004, 06:46pm

Johnny gave a signal today for a penalty the distance of which was going to be assessed on the kickoff. He raised his left hand over his head and pointed to the right, towards the kickoff spot. It looked like a ballerina's move.

Is this the approved signal for showing that a penalty will be on the kickoff?

ump76 · #8 (**permalink**) Sun Oct 31, 2004, 01:11pm

Greer just got hurt again and left the Titans/Bengals game.

Rich · #9 (**permalink**) Sun Oct 31, 2004, 01:48pm

Quote:

Originally posted by rdfox
Johnny gave a signal today for a penalty the distance of which was going to be assessed on the kickoff. He raised his left hand over his head and pointed to the right, towards the kickoff spot. It looked like a ballerina's move.

Is this the approved signal for showing that a penalty will be on the kickoff?

I love this. "Approved signal." Who cares?

ABoselli · #10 (**permalink**) Mon Nov 01, 2004, 09:02am

I saw him listed in the "injured" list from this Sunday.

Johnny Grier - Referee - Strained calf

rdfox · #11 (**permalink**) Mon Nov 01, 2004, 11:47am

Originally posted by rdfox
Johnny gave a signal today for a penalty the distance of which was going to be assessed on the kickoff. He raised his left hand over his head and pointed to the right, towards the kickoff spot. It looked like a ballerina's move.

Is this the approved signal for showing that a penalty will be on the kickoff?
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I love this. "Approved signal." Who cares?

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Dear Rich,

I am very surprised with your response. Perhaps your "senior membership" does not include actually officiating on the field.

Any R worth his weight in salt understands the importance of proper signals, including not making unauthorized ones. We watch the plays, make split-second decisions, and then inform various constituents, such as captains, coaches, the fans in attendance, and the fans not in attendance via the media. Signals are critical, and if done incorrectly, cause confusion.

So let me ask the R's out there...how do you signal that the penalty yardage from a foul during a successful try will be assessed on the kickoff?

Forksref · #12 (**permalink**) Mon Nov 01, 2004, 12:18pm

I signal the successful try then I give the signal for the foul and point to the team that offended. Then we go to the 40 yd line, signal the foul and march it off.

Warrenkicker · #13 (**permalink**) Mon Nov 01, 2004, 12:57pm

Just a little different. I signal the foul, signal the try good and then point toward the middle of the field. I can see the advantage of the Forksref's order too. Much easier to communicate this with a mic.

Rich · #14 (**permalink**) Mon Nov 01, 2004, 04:17pm

Quote:

Originally posted by rdfox
Originally posted by rdfox
Johnny gave a signal today for a penalty the distance of which was going to be assessed on the kickoff. He raised his left hand over his head and pointed to the right, towards the kickoff spot. It looked like a ballerina's move.

Is this the approved signal for showing that a penalty will be on the kickoff?
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I love this. "Approved signal." Who cares?

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Dear Rich,

I am very surprised with your response. Perhaps your "senior membership" does not include actually officiating on the field.

Any R worth his weight in salt understands the importance of proper signals, including not making unauthorized ones. We watch the plays, make split-second decisions, and then inform various constituents, such as captains, coaches, the fans in attendance, and the fans not in attendance via the media. Signals are critical, and if done incorrectly, cause confusion.

So let me ask the R's out there...how do you signal that the penalty yardage from a foul during a successful try will be assessed on the kickoff?

I'm on the field wearing a WH every Friday night.

I am more interested in game management and my crew having good position and making solid decisions on the field. Too much emphasis on making a pretty signal in too many places.

I'm interested in signals, sure, but this one?

It simply doesn't matter what the referee does here. "Approved" signal signifies, to me, that there is only one proper way to signal something like this. I point towards the kickoff spot, but without a microphone there is very little that can be done to communicate the enforcement so that everyone knows what is going to happen.

In my opinion, too much time is spent talking about things like this -- and not enough time is spent talking about position mechanics or how to determine whether a flag should be thrown -- like how to work the R position and how a BJ's first step should be backwards or how a BJ decides which side of the field to favor in a 5-man crew. And those that evaluate spend too much time deducting points on showy things and not enough time evaluating whether or not officials have good judgment.

Next we'll have a spirited debate about why we should tape our flags and what kind of a coin should be used for a coin toss.

--Rich

#15 (**permalink**) Tue Nov 02, 2004, 11:58am

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser

Quote:

I am more interested in game management and my crew having good position and making solid decisions on the field. Too much emphasis on making a pretty signal in too many places.

I'm interested in signals, sure, but this one?

It simply doesn't matter what the referee does here.
--Rich

OK, not as "experienced" as alot of others here. But, I was always taught that signals were just as important as all the other areas you mentioned. Today, when I look at a football game, I spend just as much time looking at officials as I do watching the game itself. Reason; I am always wanting to learn and improve. Which is why I ask questions also. When I ask a "senior" official a question, and he responds with the attitude of "who cares", it may be the last time I ask that person anything. But, if he replies that in this situation, there really isn't an "approved" signal, and then gives me a suggestion on how to accomplish this mechanic, I have more respect for him/her.

Not sure about others, but I have learned alot from this discussion board. And the best thing is, I can ask questions here without getting belittled (sp?).

JMO,
Serg