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Old Mon Oct 11, 2004, 04:26pm
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As a new ref, and NC State fan, I was checking the recent UNC/NC State game out this weekend. This was the next to last offensive play for NC State. They fumbled the next play. I always thought that if the Head Linesman signals a score right of the bat, that you don't take points off the board. Especially, when the LJ doesn't come screaming in to the spot pointing at the ground and blowing the whistle to make it clear. Plus was it not in the Head Linesman's zone.

Also, after the discussion, the WH had 10 seconds run of the clock. Why?

A case could be made either way whether the RB was down or not. But would any of you overrule a call if your partner ruled it a score that quick and didn't hesitate?





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Old Mon Oct 11, 2004, 04:36pm
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If I am sure (150%) of what I saw I will tell the calling official and let them decide....
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Old Mon Oct 11, 2004, 04:43pm
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Haha- that one coach should give his funny glasses to the wing guy!
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Old Mon Oct 11, 2004, 05:05pm
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Originally posted by newrefnc
As a new ref, and NC State fan, I was checking the recent UNC/NC State game out this weekend. This was the next to last offensive play for NC State. They fumbled the next play. I always thought that if the Head Linesman signals a score right of the bat, that you don't take points off the board.
The HL and the LJ have equal responsibility to make the call. The HL was blocked from seeing the runner's knee on the ground. The only offiical who could see that was the LJ. Officials can always come together and dicsuss such things.

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Especially, when the LJ doesn't come screaming in to the spot pointing at the ground and blowing the whistle to make it clear. Plus was it not in the Head Linesman's zone.
To the contrary, that's EXACTLY what the LJ came in doing. He came in and yelled to the HL that he was down and pointed to the ground.

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Also, after the discussion, the WH had 10 seconds run of the clock. Why?
The only answer I have for that is that he felt 10 seconds should have ticked off, if the TD had not been mistakenly signaled. In any case, that didn't figure into the final equation.

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A case could be made either way whether the RB was down or not. But would any of you overrule a call if your partner ruled it a score that quick and didn't hesitate?
The call was not overruled. The wing officials came together. The LJ explained what he had seen and the two agreed that it was not a TD. Otherwise, the R would have had to make the decision. He didn't. When he came into the discussion, he was only there for about 3 seconds. The wings had obviously already made the decision before the R arrived.

In such a situation, I would listen to what my partner had to say. If I saw something he didn't or he saw something I didn't, we would arrive at an appropriate decision.

It wasn't pretty but it was handled correctly.
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