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Bob M. Tue Sep 21, 2004 01:50pm

Another question for our newbies...
You've heard us say a few times that when you have illegal personal contact with an opponent, it is <b>not</b> unsportsmanlike conduct; it's a personal foul. USC must be non-contact in nature. Here's the question: <b>Do all personal fouls require contact with an opponent? If not, name some that don't.</b>

SoGARef Tue Sep 21, 2004 01:58pm

How long do we have to wait.

GBFBUmp Tue Sep 21, 2004 02:10pm

No, all personal fouls do not have to include contact with an opponent. Examples:

1) Hurdling
2) Unnecessary contact with an official


Speaking of item 2... 99.9% of the players when I am umpire are extremely polite (feigned or real) when asking me to move to give them the position they are looking for . Typically I bump into a few when backing up after RFP, and they excuse themselves, all politely. In a varsity game a few weeks ago, one kid surprised me by attempting to push (I am 6'3", 275 pounds so not an easy push) and saying "get out of my way". I just reminded him to be polite (his team was losing badly, running clock, etc). Is that a PF situation or did I do the appropriate thing? There were no other issues the rest of the night (b4 or after).

GBFBUmp Tue Sep 21, 2004 02:10pm

Quote:

Originally posted by SoGARef
How long do we have to wait.
Not too long.

Theisey Tue Sep 21, 2004 02:15pm

Hiding the ball under ones jersey is a PF.

New AZ Ref Tue Sep 21, 2004 02:16pm

Without my rulebook, I can only remember a couple.

1. Hiding ball under jersey

2. Throwing your helmet towards an opponent whether it hits him or not.

3. Use part of a team-mates body to gain an advantage (i.e. sitting/standing on a team mates shoulder or back.

I think these all are correct, but I'm sure I'll find out if I am wrong :)



SoGARef Tue Sep 21, 2004 02:17pm

[QUOTE]Originally posted by GBFBUmp
[B]No, all personal fouls do not have to include contact with an opponent. Examples:

1) Hurdling
2) Unnecessary contact with an official


You don't consider contact with an official a contact foul?

Don't forget ole 9-4-2k.

GBFBUmp Tue Sep 21, 2004 02:18pm

[QUOTE]Originally posted by SoGARef
[B]
Quote:

Originally posted by GBFBUmp
No, all personal fouls do not have to include contact with an opponent. Examples:

1) Hurdling
2) Unnecessary contact with an official


You don't consider contact with an official a contact foul?

Don't forget ole 9-4-2k.


Question included the "with an opponent" stipulation. I try not to consider myself an opponent of the players, although sometimes it feels that way when you are a wing :D The wording could be a FED exam question.

waltjp Tue Sep 21, 2004 02:19pm

Quote:

Originally posted by GBFBUmp
Is that a PF situation or did I do the appropriate thing? There were no other issues the rest of the night (b4 or after).

If you determined his push as an attempt to just get you out of his way I'd let it slide. If he was 'shoving' you or using profanity I'd flag it.

Bob M. Tue Sep 21, 2004 02:25pm

Quote:

Originally posted by SoGARef
How long do we have to wait.
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GBFBUmp Tue Sep 21, 2004 02:28pm

Quote:

Originally posted by waltjp
Quote:

Originally posted by GBFBUmp
Is that a PF situation or did I do the appropriate thing? There were no other issues the rest of the night (b4 or after).

If you determined his push as an attempt to just get you out of his way I'd let it slide. If he was 'shoving' you or using profanity I'd flag it.

Thanks, I think leaving it go was right then.

Jim S Tue Sep 21, 2004 02:31pm

Gee Bob, the first to come to my mind (what's left of it) is swinging or kicking at an opponent whether you contact him or not.

SouthGARef Tue Sep 21, 2004 02:46pm

Without looking at the answers:

The only one I can think of is a "Swing and a miss". We always say in our rules meeting that if you're gonna swing at a guy--you better hit him, cuz you're sittin out the game either way.

kdf5 Wed Sep 22, 2004 07:39am

When is contact with an opponent an USC foul?

James Neil Wed Sep 22, 2004 11:38am

Quote:

Originally posted by kdf5
When is contact with an opponent an USC foul?
Saying never will usually get you in trouble. But in this case since I cant think of any contact un-sporty, and there’s none listed in the “Book”, I’m going to say never. Now how much trouble am I in?


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