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Old Mon Sep 13, 2004, 12:30pm
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Pop Warner game last Sat.

Team A - original offensive team
Team B - original defensive team

1st and ten. Team A passes, ball is intercepted by Team B, after the interception (change of possesion) Team B player is going back up the field, a Team A player (original offensive team) rips the ball out of the Team B players hand (change of possesion again) and is tackled.

White Hat went with 1st and 10 again for Team A based on a change of possesion. I say 2nd down and 15 from where the Team A player was tackled because the end of the down kills the play and not a change of possesion.

Which ruling is correct?
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Old Mon Sep 13, 2004, 12:33pm
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1st and 10.
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Old Mon Sep 13, 2004, 12:36pm
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I think WH is right you say B1 had the ball ripped out of his hands but you dont say who recovered I am assuming it was recovered by A if so it is 1st and ten for A
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Old Mon Sep 13, 2004, 12:38pm
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White hat had it right, assuming that A had possession of the ball at the end of the play.
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Old Mon Sep 13, 2004, 03:22pm
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Another example of this type of play

It is 4th down and A is punting.

R blocks the punt picks it up and gains possession and runs with it a few yards. Then R is hit by A/K player and fumbles with the A/K team recovering.

1st and 10 A/K.
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Old Mon Sep 13, 2004, 03:26pm
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Team A did have the ball at the end of the down. That is where I am confused.

Since the down did not change and the line to gain had not been met, why would Team A get a new set of downs?



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Old Mon Sep 13, 2004, 03:29pm
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Because we have a change of possession. Change of possession is in essence a change of down if that makes it easier for you.
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Old Mon Sep 13, 2004, 03:38pm
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I finally found the reference 5-1-3d.

Thanks for the clarifications.
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Old Mon Sep 13, 2004, 04:18pm
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Rick,

One additional detail. The clock will start with the ready for play, not the snap, for A's new series!

A change of possession has the clock start on the snap IF it is B's ball...or either team's ball if it is after a legal kick. But a double change of possession without a kick does not hold the clock until the snap.
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