Defensive clipping

[OverAndBack]

This was the Play of the Day today:

Runner A1 breaks free beyond the neutral zone at midfield. A2 is running between A1 and saefty B1, who is gaining fast on both of them. As B1 nears A2 he blocks him from behind and below the waist in an attempt to get to A1 to make the tackle.



Ruling: This is clipping and is illegal. If the contact would have been from behind and above the waist, it would have been legal per rule 9.3.5b

I understand that much.

We don't know if runner A1 scored. Let's say he scored, do you enforce the penalty from the succeeding spot (the spot of the try? That doesn't seem like much of a penalty. Rule 2-40-10 says "The succeeding spot is where the ball would next be snapped or free kicked if a foul had not occurred.")?

If he didn't score, and was tackled at, say, B's 35, would you penalize from the spot of the foul (which we don't know, either) or the end of the run? Whichever was worse for B? Or would A have the choice of taking the result of the play if that would be more yardage than they could get penalizing B from the spot of the foul?

[Bob Mc]

We don't know if runner A1 scored. Let's say he scored, do you enforce the penalty from the succeeding spot (the spot of the try? That doesn't seem like much of a penalty. Rule 2-40-10 says "The succeeding spot is where the ball would next be snapped or free kicked if a foul had not occurred.")?

You're right. This does not seem like much but enforcement from the succeeding spot is the correct way to do this. And the succeeding spot would be the try.


If he didn't score, and was tackled at, say, B's 35, would you penalize from the spot of the foul (which we don't know, either) or the end of the run? Whichever was worse for B? Or would A have the choice of taking the result of the play if that would be more yardage than they could get penalizing B from the spot of the foul?

The spot here would be the end of the run (all but one principal).

[Rich]

Originally posted by Bob Mc
We don't know if runner A1 scored. Let's say he scored, do you enforce the penalty from the succeeding spot (the spot of the try? That doesn't seem like much of a penalty. Rule 2-40-10 says "The succeeding spot is where the ball would next be snapped or free kicked if a foul had not occurred.")?

You're right. This does not seem like much but enforcement from the succeeding spot is the correct way to do this. And the succeeding spot would be the try.


If he didn't score, and was tackled at, say, B's 35, would you penalize from the spot of the foul (which we don't know, either) or the end of the run? Whichever was worse for B? Or would A have the choice of taking the result of the play if that would be more yardage than they could get penalizing B from the spot of the foul?

The spot here would be the end of the run (all but one principal).

This is one place where the NFL actually gets it right and enforces such a penalty on the kickoff.

But in our NF games, it's the succeeding spot, and that makes it enforced on the try.

[SeanWest]

I remember someone posting that "back in the day" the NFHS rule was that this penalty would be enforced on the kickoff and then the rule was changed so that the penalty would be declined by rule and then finally changed again to the rule we have today. Is that true?

Maybe it's time to go full circle.

-SW---

[JugglingReferee]

Originally posted by OverAndBack
This was the Play of the Day today:

Runner A1 breaks free beyond the neutral zone at midfield. A2 is running between A1 and saefty B1, who is gaining fast on both of them. As B1 nears A2 he blocks him from behind and below the waist in an attempt to get to A1 to make the tackle.



Ruling: This is clipping and is illegal. If the contact would have been from behind and above the waist, it would have been legal per rule 9.3.5b

I understand that much.

We don't know if runner A1 scored. Let's say he scored, do you enforce the penalty from the succeeding spot (the spot of the try? That doesn't seem like much of a penalty. Rule 2-40-10 says "The succeeding spot is where the ball would next be snapped or free kicked if a foul had not occurred.")?

If he didn't score, and was tackled at, say, B's 35, would you penalize from the spot of the foul (which we don't know, either) or the end of the run? Whichever was worse for B? Or would A have the choice of taking the result of the play if that would be more yardage than they could get penalizing B from the spot of the foul?

Blocking from the rear. (7.1.2) If YWG, 15 from PBH, and if YWNG, 15 from PLS.(7.1.2-Penalty and 8.2.1,2)

The end of the run is irrelevant.

[OverAndBack]

I don't know what YWG, PBH, and YWNG mean. PLS I guess is previous line of scrimmage?

[PiggSkin]

Originally posted by OverAndBack
I don't know what YWG, PBH, and YWNG mean. PLS I guess is previous line of scrimmage?

You call yourself a football official, and you don't know what yawang means..?

Remember that JugglingRef is speaking Canadian football...

[JugglingReferee]

Originally posted by OverAndBack
I don't know what YWG, PBH, and YWNG mean. PLS I guess is previous line of scrimmage?

It goes through my mind each time I post Canadian abbreviations.

PLS = previous line of scrimmage. (You're right.)
PBH = point ball held.
YWG = yards were gained. IOW, the LTG was met (before the foul).
YWNG = yards were not gained. The LTG was not met (before the foul).

YWG is also YG and YWNG is also YNG.

Other interesting Canadian football facts:

Field Size: 65 by 110. End Zones: 65 by 20. Hash marks: 24 yards from the sidelines. Uprights: on the goal line, 10 feet high, 18 foot 6 apart.

3 Downs.

No touchback, fair catch or 1 point safety.

No tuck rule.

[jumpmaster]

Originally posted by JugglingReferee

It goes through my mind each time I post Canadian abbreviations.

PLS = previous line of scrimmage. (You're right.)
PBH = point ball held.
YWG = yards were gained. IOW, the LTG was met (before the foul).
YWNG = yards were not gained. The LTG was not met (before the foul).

YWG is also YG and YWNG is also YNG.

Other interesting Canadian football facts:

Field Size: 65 by 110. End Zones: 65 by 20. Hash marks: 24 yards from the sidelines. Uprights: on the goal line, 10 feet high, 18 foot 6 apart.

3 Downs.

No touchback, fair catch or 1 point safety.

No tuck rule.

freakin' french...or canadian...or whatever...can't even use the english language properly.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally posted by jumpmaster

freakin' french...or canadian...or whatever...can't even use the english language properly.

But we're not bad spellers like you guys are: what are color and humor? It's colour and humour.

[PiggSkin]

Originally posted by JugglingReferee
But we're not bad spellers like you guys are: what are color and humor? It's colour and humour.

Don't you mean spellres..?

(Just like litre and metre...)

[JugglingReferee]

Originally posted by PiggSkin

Don't you mean spellres..?

(Just like litre and metre...)

We don't go by litres and metres - we go by pints and yards!!! And wings on the side of course.