POD 3-14

[sm_bbcoach]

In a state where tie games are resolved by the 10-yard line procedure,
the game ends in a tie. Immediately following the final whistle, there
is a fight between A1 and B1 and: (a) none of the officials observed
which player actually struck the first blow; or (b) A1 struck B1 who
retaliated; or (c) B1 first struck A1 who retaliated. In (a), (b) and
(c), A wins the toss and elects to go on defence first.



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Ruling: In (a), (b) and (c), A1 and B1 will be disqualified for fighting
and they may not participate in the overtime. [b}In (a), because it was
not possible to determine which player started the fight, there will be
no penalty measurement. [/b]

I understand B & C. But NO penality measurement? HOw do you signal this penality after both PF's and ejections?




In (b), the fouls will be penalized in the order
of occurrence with the penalty against A being half the distance to the
goal line. From there, B will be penalized 15 yards and will put the
ball in play, first and goal from the 20-yard line. In (c), because B
was first to foul, it will be penalized back to the 25, and from there
the penalty for the foul by A measured half the distance to the goal. B
will put the ball in play, first and goal, from the 12 1/2.
(10.2.4B)Casebook (2.11; 10.4.4)Rulebook

[Bob M.]

REPLY: That's correct. If you have no idea who committed the first foul, you can't begin marching off yardage because the half-the-distance factor will enter into the enforcement one way or the other. Depending who you decide to penalized first, you would wind up with a situation that either resembles (b) or (c) -- which are not identical. If you arbitrarily decide to penalize A first, you'll have B begin his series at A's 20; if you decide to walk off yardage against B first, B will begin the OT series at A's 12.5. In such a case, Just put the ball on A's 10 to start the OT, give the PF signals pointing to each team. Signal the disqualifications. And then blow the ready.

[kdf5]

Bob M: I guess I'm confused by your answer. In the last example you say (penalizing B first) to move the ball back to the 25 then forward to the 12.5, then "just put the ball on A's 10 to start the OT, give the PF signals pointing to each team. Signal the disqualifications. And then blow the ready."

Help me understand moving the ball forward to the 12.5, then putting the ball on the 10 to start the OT. It's late in the day so I might be missing something easy here.

[Snake~eyes]

I don't understand why you're confused? You cannot walk off any penalty yards because you won't end up in the original spot. Just signal the two penalties and start at the 10, I doubt any coach is even going to say anything. I think they're more likely to argue in (b) and (c) that the distance should offset.

[Bob M.]

Originally posted by Snake~eyes
I don't understand why you're confused? You cannot walk off any penalty yards because you won't end up in the original spot. Just signal the two penalties and start at the 10, I doubt any coach is even going to say anything. I think they're more likely to argue in (b) and (c) that the distance should offset.

REPLY: kdf5...snake-eyes said what I was trying to say but in a much more understandable way. Thanks S-E!