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FormerUmp Thu Nov 16, 2017 11:03pm

NFL Replay Policy
 
Did the NFL ever announce the move away from incontrovertible evidence to overturn, or is it just happening with Al Riveron's new role in the replay center?

There's another play I have in mind, but no video available at the moment.

2nd and Goal at TEN 8
(0:00 - 3rd) (Shotgun) L.Bell left guard for 8 yards, TOUCHDOWN. The Replay Official reviewed the runner broke the plane ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) L.Bell left guard to TEN 1 for 7 yards (K.Byard, L.Ryan)
Steelers vs. Titans

FormerUmp Fri Nov 17, 2017 04:52am

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It's unfortunately missing the best angle, but it's the best I could come up with at work.

CT1 Fri Nov 17, 2017 07:40am

This may be one of the funniest choreographed celebrations I've ever seen!

FormerUmp Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:42am

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I'm really curious as to what his mindset is going into these. This one was incorrect for the same reason the Cunningham play from the Bears game this past Sunday was. The ball was being contacted by an out of bounds player prior to it hitting the pylon.

It's almost as if he's going into it looking for controversy. =\

jTheUmp Fri Nov 17, 2017 02:01pm

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Originally Posted by FormerUmp (Post 1011622)
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I'm really curious as to what his mindset is going into these. This one was incorrect for the same reason the Cunningham play from the Bears game this past Sunday was. The ball was being contacted by an out of bounds player prior to it hitting the pylon.

It's almost as if he's going into it looking for controversy. =\

What are you talking about?
1) Gurley loses possession (and contact with the ball) at about the 1 yard line.
2) Gurley steps out of bounds (while not in contact with the ball).
3) Ball hits plyon.
4) Gurley touches the ball after it hits the pylon, and secures possession while OOB. Of course, neither of these two things matter because by definition the ball is dead once it strikes the pylon.

scrounge Fri Nov 17, 2017 03:52pm

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Originally Posted by FormerUmp (Post 1011622)
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/PKtJlrlZ80s" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

I'm really curious as to what his mindset is going into these. This one was incorrect for the same reason the Cunningham play from the Bears game this past Sunday was. The ball was being contacted by an out of bounds player prior to it hitting the pylon.

It's almost as if he's going into it looking for controversy. =\

I'll give you credit, you're batting 1.000, wrong on all 3 plays.

FormerUmp Fri Nov 17, 2017 07:36pm

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Originally Posted by scrounge (Post 1011636)
I'll give you credit, you're batting 1.000, wrong on all 3 plays.

How so? Which three plays?

On the Cunningham play and the Gurley play, the ball is clearly contacted by each player whIle each player is contacting the sideline.

The Bell play is certainly not conclusive to overturn.

FormerUmp Fri Nov 17, 2017 08:01pm

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Originally Posted by jTheUmp (Post 1011627)
What are you talking about?
1) Gurley loses possession (and contact with the ball) at about the 1 yard line.
2) Gurley steps out of bounds (while not in contact with the ball).
3) Ball hits plyon.
4) Gurley touches the ball after it hits the pylon, and secures possession while OOB. Of course, neither of these two things matter because by definition the ball is dead once it strikes the pylon.

He loses possession prior to going out of bounds, but he doesn't lose contact with the ball until just after his foot contacts the sideline. You can see the ball "squeeze" off his fingertips just after his foot hits the ground around 1:27 in the video.

Matt Sat Nov 18, 2017 04:27am

How is this ******* not banned yet?

FormerUmp Sat Nov 18, 2017 05:14am

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Originally Posted by Matt (Post 1011655)
How is this ******* not banned yet?

For what? You've done more to earn a ban with this post than I ever have.

Matt Sat Nov 18, 2017 05:58am

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Originally Posted by FormerUmp (Post 1011656)
For what? You've done more to earn a ban with this post than I ever have.

I'm sorry you mistake yourself for a moderator (who has already warned you.)

FormerUmp Sat Nov 18, 2017 08:59am

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Originally Posted by Matt (Post 1011657)
I'm sorry you mistake yourself for a moderator (who has already warned you.)

I've done nothing wrong. I'm just here to discuss officiating and learn from those more experienced than I. One way to learn is to examine controversial plays or errors made and discuss them. I haven't engaged in official bashing or any so-called "fanboy" behavior.

You, however, have personally attacked me for no reason. I think any logical person would see who the "bad guy" is here.

CT1 Sat Nov 18, 2017 09:16am

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Originally Posted by FormerUmp (Post 1011650)
He loses possession prior to going out of bounds, but he doesn't lose contact with the ball until just after his foot contacts the sideline. You can see the ball "squeeze" off his fingertips just after his foot hits the ground around 1:27 in the video.

Check the angle shown at 2:02. There is clearly daylight between his hand and the ball just before his foot touches OOB.

FormerUmp Sat Nov 18, 2017 09:30am

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Originally Posted by CT1 (Post 1011662)
Check the angle shown at 2:02. There is clearly daylight between his hand and the ball just before his foot touches OOB.

Video needs more frames to be conclusive. Start-stopping it at .25x speed it skips from in his hand with his foot almost on the ground to full foot on the ground and clear daylight.

ajmc Sat Nov 18, 2017 12:10pm

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Originally Posted by FormerUmp (Post 1011663)
Video needs more frames to be conclusive. Start-stopping it at .25x speed it skips from in his hand with his foot almost on the ground to full foot on the ground and clear daylight.

Declaring you are seeking perfection, doesn't mean you're ever going to find it, and Instant Replay is a great example of just how far perfection can stay beyond one's grasp.

Has IR eliminated doubt and argument, or just changed it? Thankfully, at (most) interscholastic levels absolute perfection although always hoped for, and often demanded, is not required or (truly) expected.

Somehow, the contest manages to continue, the teams adapt and the challenge (and the beat) goes on.

Has IR materially improved anything, or just shifted who's arguing about what?


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