NFL Replay Policy

[FormerUmp]

Did the NFL ever announce the move away from incontrovertible evidence to overturn, or is it just happening with Al Riveron's new role in the replay center?

There's another play I have in mind, but no video available at the moment.

2nd and Goal at TEN 8
(0:00 - 3rd) (Shotgun) L.Bell left guard for 8 yards, TOUCHDOWN. The Replay Official reviewed the runner broke the plane ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) L.Bell left guard to TEN 1 for 7 yards (K.Byard, L.Ryan)
Steelers vs. Titans

[FormerUmp]

It's unfortunately missing the best angle, but it's the best I could come up with at work.

[CT1]

This may be one of the funniest choreographed celebrations I've ever seen!

[FormerUmp]

I'm really curious as to what his mindset is going into these. This one was incorrect for the same reason the Cunningham play from the Bears game this past Sunday was. The ball was being contacted by an out of bounds player prior to it hitting the pylon.

It's almost as if he's going into it looking for controversy. =\

[jTheUmp]

Originally Posted by FormerUmp

I'm really curious as to what his mindset is going into these. This one was incorrect for the same reason the Cunningham play from the Bears game this past Sunday was. The ball was being contacted by an out of bounds player prior to it hitting the pylon.

It's almost as if he's going into it looking for controversy. =\

What are you talking about?
1) Gurley loses possession (and contact with the ball) at about the 1 yard line.
2) Gurley steps out of bounds (while not in contact with the ball).
3) Ball hits plyon.
4) Gurley touches the ball after it hits the pylon, and secures possession while OOB. Of course, neither of these two things matter because by definition the ball is dead once it strikes the pylon.

[scrounge]

Originally Posted by FormerUmp

I'm really curious as to what his mindset is going into these. This one was incorrect for the same reason the Cunningham play from the Bears game this past Sunday was. The ball was being contacted by an out of bounds player prior to it hitting the pylon.

It's almost as if he's going into it looking for controversy. =\

I'll give you credit, you're batting 1.000, wrong on all 3 plays.

[FormerUmp]

Originally Posted by scrounge

I'll give you credit, you're batting 1.000, wrong on all 3 plays.

How so? Which three plays?

On the Cunningham play and the Gurley play, the ball is clearly contacted by each player whIle each player is contacting the sideline.

The Bell play is certainly not conclusive to overturn.

[FormerUmp]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

What are you talking about?
1) Gurley loses possession (and contact with the ball) at about the 1 yard line.
2) Gurley steps out of bounds (while not in contact with the ball).
3) Ball hits plyon.
4) Gurley touches the ball after it hits the pylon, and secures possession while OOB. Of course, neither of these two things matter because by definition the ball is dead once it strikes the pylon.

He loses possession prior to going out of bounds, but he doesn't lose contact with the ball until just after his foot contacts the sideline. You can see the ball "squeeze" off his fingertips just after his foot hits the ground around 1:27 in the video.

[Matt]

How is this ******* not banned yet?

[FormerUmp]

Originally Posted by Matt

How is this ******* not banned yet?

For what? You've done more to earn a ban with this post than I ever have.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by FormerUmp

For what? You've done more to earn a ban with this post than I ever have.

I'm sorry you mistake yourself for a moderator (who has already warned you.)

[FormerUmp]

Originally Posted by Matt

I'm sorry you mistake yourself for a moderator (who has already warned you.)

I've done nothing wrong. I'm just here to discuss officiating and learn from those more experienced than I. One way to learn is to examine controversial plays or errors made and discuss them. I haven't engaged in official bashing or any so-called "fanboy" behavior.

You, however, have personally attacked me for no reason. I think any logical person would see who the "bad guy" is here.

[CT1]

Originally Posted by FormerUmp

He loses possession prior to going out of bounds, but he doesn't lose contact with the ball until just after his foot contacts the sideline. You can see the ball "squeeze" off his fingertips just after his foot hits the ground around 1:27 in the video.

Check the angle shown at 2:02. There is clearly daylight between his hand and the ball just before his foot touches OOB.

[FormerUmp]

Originally Posted by CT1

Check the angle shown at 2:02. There is clearly daylight between his hand and the ball just before his foot touches OOB.

Video needs more frames to be conclusive. Start-stopping it at .25x speed it skips from in his hand with his foot almost on the ground to full foot on the ground and clear daylight.

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by FormerUmp

Video needs more frames to be conclusive. Start-stopping it at .25x speed it skips from in his hand with his foot almost on the ground to full foot on the ground and clear daylight.

Declaring you are seeking perfection, doesn't mean you're ever going to find it, and Instant Replay is a great example of just how far perfection can stay beyond one's grasp.

Has IR eliminated doubt and argument, or just changed it? Thankfully, at (most) interscholastic levels absolute perfection although always hoped for, and often demanded, is not required or (truly) expected.

Somehow, the contest manages to continue, the teams adapt and the challenge (and the beat) goes on.

Has IR materially improved anything, or just shifted who's arguing about what?