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Ref24 Sat Sep 02, 2017 08:55am

Fumble or not?
 
An interception when the clock reads 0:00 to end the game. The player tosses the ball on ground and no official sounds a whistle or waves arms to signal game over. I say game over as clock read 0:00 and change of possession. My son says with no whistle since interceptor tosses ball on the ground it's a live ball and can be picked and a possible score can occur?

smileyh Sat Sep 02, 2017 08:58am

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Originally Posted by Ref24 (Post 1008946)
An interception when the clock reads 0:00 to end the game. The player tosses the ball on ground and no official sounds a whistle or waves arms to signal game over. I say game over as clock read 0:00 and change of possession. My son says with no whistle since interceptor tosses ball on the ground it's a live ball and can be picked and a possible score can occur?

If it was tossed forward, it's dead when it hits the ground. Period is not extended for this foul.

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ajmc Mon Sep 04, 2017 11:19am

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Originally Posted by Ref24 (Post 1008946)
An interception when the clock reads 0:00 to end the game. The player tosses the ball on ground and no official sounds a whistle or waves arms to signal game over. I say game over as clock read 0:00 and change of possession. My son says with no whistle since interceptor tosses ball on the ground it's a live ball and can be picked and a possible score can occur?

A perfect example of the difference between being ignorant, and stupid. You have the opportunity to correct your son's ignorance by providing him with the necessary, and relevant, information so he can reach the correct conclusion. If he refuses to consider, and ultimately accept, that correct information....you may have a bigger problem.

youngump Tue Sep 05, 2017 10:59am

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Originally Posted by ajmc (Post 1008958)
A perfect example of the difference between being ignorant, and stupid. You have the opportunity to correct your son's ignorance by providing him with the necessary, and relevant, information so he can reach the correct conclusion. If he refuses to consider, and ultimately accept, that correct information....you may have a bigger problem.

I just lurk here (different sport), but I looked up the NFHS rule for ending a period and I don't see anything that would make the son wrong. Can you provide me a reference?

JRutledge Tue Sep 05, 2017 11:28am

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Originally Posted by youngump (Post 1008973)
I just lurk here (different sport), but I looked up the NFHS rule for ending a period and I don't see anything that would make the son wrong. Can you provide me a reference?

Once you throw a forward pass and the ball hits the ground, the play is over because of an incomplete pass. You cannot pick the ball up and advance it from either team at this point.

Peace

Robert Goodman Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:12am

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1008976)
Once you throw a forward pass and the ball hits the ground, the play is over because of an incomplete pass. You cannot pick the ball up and advance it from either team at this point.

But a priori it seems there's only a 50-50 chance of the pass's having gone forward.

youngump Wed Sep 06, 2017 01:46pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1008976)
Once you throw a forward pass and the ball hits the ground, the play is over because of an incomplete pass. You cannot pick the ball up and advance it from either team at this point.

Peace

Yes. I read the OP as tossed the ball toward his own goal line or laterally and it seemed AJMC was suggesting that somehow the game would still be over.

JRutledge Wed Sep 06, 2017 02:53pm

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Originally Posted by youngump (Post 1008993)
Yes. I read the OP as tossed the ball toward his own goal line or laterally and it seemed AJMC was suggesting that somehow the game would still be over.

He was not that specific. I was just saying a forward pass that hits the ground is clearly dead by rule. Of course, if you throw it backward, then the ball is live. But that was not stated in the OP either way.

Peace

Altor Fri Sep 08, 2017 04:58pm

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Originally Posted by Ref24 (Post 1008946)
I say game over as clock read 0:00 and change of possession.

Was this a try?

ajmc Sat Sep 09, 2017 11:22pm

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Originally Posted by youngump (Post 1008973)
I just lurk here (different sport), but I looked up the NFHS rule for ending a period and I don't see anything that would make the son wrong. Can you provide me a reference?

This sounds like an excellent parental teaching opportunity to underscore and explain that searching for an over zealous and immaterial presumed technical violation that adds absolutely nothing of actual value to the intent or practical application of a rule, can more easily subvert the intended purpose of the rule than in any way support it.

Perhaps the father was more interested in demonstrating that being right can often be more important than just not being proven wrong.

Rich Sun Sep 10, 2017 08:53am

Or maybe it was just a question.

Sometimes a cigar is merely a cigar.


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