Punt Fielded By Kicking Team Near Goal Line

DrWorm · #1 (**permalink**) Mon Sep 29, 2003, 02:22pm

We had a punt in our HS game last week where R player signaled fair catch at the 10 yard line but did not attempt to field the punt which was then caught in the air by K player at the 1 yard line who then stumbled into the end zone. This was ruled a downed punt at the 1. Is this correct?

MD Longhorn · #2 (**permalink**) Mon Sep 29, 2003, 02:28pm

NCAA - 6-3-6a: If a player of the kicking team catches or recovers a scrimmage kick that has crossed the neutral zone, the ball becomes dead.

Once the ball is dead, the fact that he then travelled into the endzone is inconsequential.

(Much different from the NFL, obviously).

Uncle Ernie · #3 (**permalink**) Mon Sep 29, 2003, 02:29pm

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Originally posted by DrWorm
We had a punt in our HS game last week where R player signaled fair catch at the 10 yard line but did not attempt to field the punt which was then caught in the air by K player at the 1 yard line who then stumbled into the end zone. This was ruled a downed punt at the 1. Is this correct?

This sounds correct. Since momentum does not apply to K and it sounds like you didn't have any Kick Catching Interference. But not sure.

Uncle Ernie · #4 (**permalink**) Mon Sep 29, 2003, 02:30pm

WHOA...that was weird. That previous post should have been under another topic...hmmmm

Uncle Ernie · #5 (**permalink**) Mon Sep 29, 2003, 02:31pm

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Originally posted by DrWorm
We had a punt in our HS game last week where R player signaled fair catch at the 10 yard line but did not attempt to field the punt which was then caught in the air by K player at the 1 yard line who then stumbled into the end zone. This was ruled a downed punt at the 1. Is this correct?

This sounds correct. You didn't mention any kick catching interference and momentum doesn't apply here.

stripes1977 · #6 (**permalink**) Mon Sep 29, 2003, 02:32pm

The ball would be dead at the spot of the catch, thus downed at the 1 yard line (assuming it didn't break the plane of the goal line), correct.

The ball (on a kick)is always dead when posessed by K because they can never advance a kick beyond the neutral zone (whether they are entitled to keep it or not). Only in or behind the neutral zone could K possess the ball and also advance it.

The other thing to keep in mind would be the possibility kick-catching interference (although it doesn't sound like there was an R player trying to field this kick).

DrWorm · #7 (**permalink**) Mon Sep 29, 2003, 02:40pm

Thanks very much. I was not sure if the K player had to keep himself under control as well as the ball. The R player merely made the signal then backed away.

One corollary question:
What would happen if the K player caught the ball at the 1 yd line while in the air as a result of a leap from the 2 yd line and then landed in the end zone?

MD Longhorn · #8 (**permalink**) Mon Sep 29, 2003, 02:54pm

NCAA - a player "gains possession" when he is firmly holding or controlling the ball while contacting the ground inbounds.

So your second scenario is a touchback.

seanireland · #9 (**permalink**) Mon Sep 29, 2003, 02:56pm

p. 45 Table 6-4 NOTE: K is in team possession during a kick. A kick ends when a player gains possession or when the ball becomes dead by rule.

K catches the ball in the field of play, but doesn't gain possession until his first point of contact with the ground, which is the EZ. Therefore, I would call it a touchback. Please help me to clarify if i am wrong.

James Neil · #10 (**permalink**) Mon Sep 29, 2003, 02:58pm

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Originally posted by DrWorm

What would happen if the K player caught the ball at the 1 yd line while in the air as a result of a leap from the 2 yd line and then landed in the end zone?

K didnÂ’t actually make a Â“catchÂ”. What he did is considered a Â“first touchÂ”. R could chose the spot of first touching at the R-1 (we wonÂ’t let him do that) or take the result of the play which would be a TB.

PSU213 · #11 (**permalink**) Mon Sep 29, 2003, 07:24pm

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Originally posted by seanireland
p. 45 Table 6-4 NOTE: K is in team possession during a kick. A kick ends when a player gains possession or when the ball becomes dead by rule.

K catches the ball in the field of play, but doesn't gain possession until his first point of contact with the ground, which is the EZ. Therefore, I would call it a touchback. Please help me to clarify if i am wrong.

You are correct, he does not complete the catch/recovery until he touches the ground. If he jumps from the 2, possesses the ball while it's at the 1 and then touches the ground after the ball has crossed the plane of the GL, this is a touchback (described in Casebook play 2.4.1G). As already mentioned, you do have first touching, but R will take the ball at the 20.

Rich · #12 (**permalink**) Mon Sep 29, 2003, 07:26pm

And you will NOT explain the first touching to the captains, coaches, or anyone else. Signal a touchback and go to the 20.

Rich

PSU213 · #13 (**permalink**) Mon Sep 29, 2003, 07:43pm

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Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser
And you will NOT explain the first touching to the captains, coaches, or anyone else. Signal a touchback and go to the 20.

Rich

I guess I should have specifically said that. "R will take the ball at the 20" means "we will not give them the options, we will put the ball at the 20 and go from there."

seanireland · #14 (**permalink**) Tue Sep 30, 2003, 08:57am

THANKS!!!

The points you guys bring up really help me focus on the thought process of an effective official. When I looked it up, I was able to distinguish between first touching and a catch. Before, there was no difference to me, but now I have learned another important point: First touching is defined differently than a catch. Result? I go on the field a better official. Keep posting...I'm reading and learning