LOD on 4th down

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

I don't see any mention in Fed 10-3-1 of anything about timing. Was there a recent inclusion of such a provision?

Wasn't that your original question? (I'm interested in the clock status. If team A winds up with first down, and a stopped clock (with a lot of time taken for administration before the RFP, even w/o the possibly tricky measurement) for the incompletion, it seems they've gained a good deal for their illegal forward pass. Consider that the passer was well beyond the neutral zone when he let fly; seems like a deliberate attempt to conserve time. Would you invoke 3-4-6 and start the clock on the RFP? Seems the least you could do in the situation).

Either "A" made the 1st down, clock starts on the ready, or they didn't and "B" then starts a new series, clock starts on the snap.

[Welpe]

We know that from 3-4-3e that an incomplete illegal forward pass would result in the clock being started at the snap.

In this case though I think an argument can be made for starting the clock on the ready via 3-4-6 considering the situation.

[whitehat]

Case book 3.4.6 Situation A allows for an incomplete illegal forward pass to be started on the RFP.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by ajmc

Wasn't that your original question?

Either "A" made the 1st down, clock starts on the ready,

Because of which timing provision? 3-4-6 or something else?

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by ajmc

Either "A" made the 1st down, clock starts on the ready

That is not correct per the rule I cited earlier unless the Referee decides to invoke 3-4-6 and wind it on the ready.

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by Welpe

That is not correct per the rule I cited earlier unless the Referee decides to invoke 3-4-6 and wind it on the ready.

After re-reading 3-4-3-e (more carefully), I'd agree with you. Thanks for pointing that out.