Hurdeling

sm_bbcoach · #1 (**permalink**) Mon Sep 22, 2003, 10:48am

Has anyone thrown a penality for hurdeling? Rule 9-4-2-d.
How did you sell it to the coach? Saftey issue coach.

It is defined as jumping over an opponient with feet / knees formost while th eopponient is only contacting theground wiht their foot/feet. This is a saftey issue correct? Does it not seem more of a saftey issue for a player to "dive" oven an opponient? Head, neck and back exposed to hits attempting to push him back rather than a player crazy enough to attemt to jump over a standing would be tackler?
Looing for your thoughts.

cmathews · #2 (**permalink**) Mon Sep 22, 2003, 11:50am

I have never thrown the flag, never seen it....If the defensive player is standing flatfooted, the offensive player is in the wrong sport....assuming an average size of about 5-10, depending on position it could range from 5-6 to 6-3, the kid doing the hurdling should be in track in the high jump...

JRutledge · #3 (**permalink**) Mon Sep 22, 2003, 02:09pm

I have never seen this as well. I probably will never see this either. I have seen some players leave their feet, but it cost them by getting hit and landing harder. But it does not follow the definition of hurdling.

Peace

Warrenkicker · #4 (**permalink**) Mon Sep 22, 2003, 02:11pm

The safety issue is for the defender. When the player, who was running at the time, jumped toward the defender leading with a foot or knee he would likely contact the defender first with one of those in the head or shoulders.

There was a perfect example of this last season around here. The runner came toward the sideline and the defender came up to tackle him. The defender had broken-down a little but his head was still at least 4 feet off the ground and only his feet were touching the ground. The runner hurdled the defender cleanly and continued on for a touchdown. The tv camera that got this play was on the sideline about 10 yards in advance of the play and had a very good view of it. The instant I saw that replay I couldn't believe there wasn't a flag thrown. A couple inches to one side and the defender would have taken a foot straight to the head.

JasonTX · #5 (**permalink**) Mon Sep 22, 2003, 02:14pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Warrenkicker
The safety issue is for the defender. When the player, who was running at the time, jumped toward the defender leading with a foot or knee he would likely contact the defender first with one of those in the head or shoulders.

There was a perfect example of this last season around here. The runner came toward the sideline and the defender came up to tackle him. The defender had broken-down a little but his head was still at least 4 feet off the ground and only his feet were touching the ground. The runner hurdled the defender cleanly and continued on for a touchdown. The tv camera that got this play was on the sideline about 10 yards in advance of the play and had a very good view of it. The instant I saw that replay I couldn't believe there wasn't a flag thrown. A couple inches to one side and the defender would have taken a foot straight to the head.

It's not illegal for the runner to hurdle (NCAA)

Bob M. · #6 (**permalink**) Mon Sep 22, 2003, 03:38pm

REPLY: The only time I ever saw it (and it was flagged) was in an NFL game many years ago. The hurdler was (and I'm giving away my age) Joe Kapp, QB for the Minnesota Vikings at the time. His knee and lower leg absolutely laid out the defensive back attempting to tackle him.

bigwhistle · #7 (**permalink**) Tue Sep 23, 2003, 10:08am

I have made this call only one time. It was on an extra point try. The linebacker hurdled over the center just after he snapped the ball and before he could straighten up. I might have held my flag even then except that the kid blocked the kick.

ump76 · #8 (**permalink**) Tue Sep 23, 2003, 10:30am

What is the signal for hurdleing?

cmathews · #9 (**permalink**) Tue Sep 23, 2003, 10:33am

it must look like some sort of hip hop break dance maneuver where the Referee does a little spin then drops into the hurlers stretch move and stands back up???

Warrenkicker · #10 (**permalink**) Tue Sep 23, 2003, 11:12am

It is a personal foul. 9-4-2d So use signal 38.

ump76 · #11 (**permalink**) Wed Sep 24, 2003, 11:14am

Someone once told me to signal hurdleing the umpire had to get down on all fours and the referee would play leap frog and show it that way..... Ha Ha Ha

tnroundballref · #12 (**permalink**) Wed Sep 24, 2003, 11:42am

Ump76, you on all fours with your white hat playing leap frog from has sent me over the edge.....I can't take it anymore. Besides, your white hat has bad knees and probably couldn't make it over your big behind !

MD Longhorn · #13 (**permalink**) Wed Sep 24, 2003, 12:42pm

Quote:

Originally posted by JasonTX
It's not illegal for the runner to hurdle (NCAA) [/B]

Is the rule different for NF? Here's the NCAA version:

Rule 2-14-1a - Hurdling is an attempt by a player to jump with one or both feet or knees foremost over an opponent who is still on his feet (Exception: the runner) (Rule 9-1-2-i)

Rule 2-14-1b - "On his feet" means that no part of the opponent's body other than one or both feet is in contact with the ground.

Rule 2-14-1c - Hurdling an offensive player before the snap is a dead-ball foul. This includes offensive players in a three or four point stance.

Rule 9-1-2i - There shall be no hurdling (Exception: The runner may hurdle an opponent).

Warrenkicker · #14 (**permalink**) Wed Sep 24, 2003, 01:20pm

Here is NF.

2-21 Hurdling is an attempt by a player to jump with one or both feet or knees foremost over an opponent who is contacting the ground with no part of his body except one or both feet.

9-4-7d No player shall: Hurdle an opponent.