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bigjohn Fri Sep 04, 2015 12:53pm
What is the correct call?
 
5. K, 4/10 @ K’s 20 YL. K1’s short punt is muffed by R1 @ K’s 30 YL. The loose ball rolls behind the neutral zone and K2
recovers the loose ball @ K’s 18 YL. K2 throws a forward pass to eligible K3 but the pass falls incomplete.

Suudy Fri Sep 04, 2015 12:58pm
1st and 10 for R from K's 20 (assuming no ineligibles downfied).

Edit: Hmm...I missed the muff on my first reading. Hmm.... But my gut still tells me 1st and 10 for R.

Welpe Fri Sep 04, 2015 01:09pm
Since the ball was touched by R beyond the LOS, K will be awarded a new series since they were the team last in possession.

1st and 10 for K at the K-20. Clock on the snap.

Suudy Fri Sep 04, 2015 01:15pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 966381)
Since the ball was touched by R beyond the LOS, K will be awarded a new series since they were the team last in possession.

1st and 10 for K at the K-20. Clock on the snap.
The forward pass was legal--K recovered the kick behind the LOS. But is the new series from the previous LOS because it was an incomplete pass?

Welpe Fri Sep 04, 2015 01:16pm
Correct. A legal forward pass that is incomplete is returned to the previous spot.

butterz Fri Sep 04, 2015 03:33pm
High school? If so when K recovers muff the play is whistled down and K's ball at 18. There is no advancement of a muffed punt, therefore F pass is irrelevant.

Welpe Fri Sep 04, 2015 03:36pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by butterz (Post 966395)
High school? If so when K recovers muff the play is whistled down and K's ball at 18. There is no advancement of a muffed punt, therefore F pass is irrelevant.

K can recover and advance a scrimmage kick recovered behind the LOS in NFHS rules.

jTheUmp Fri Sep 04, 2015 03:49pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by butterz (Post 966395)
High school? If so when K recovers muff the play is whistled down and K's ball at 18. There is no advancement of a muffed punt, therefore F pass is irrelevant.
Check out 6.2.3.A:
Quote:
6.2.3 SITUATION A:

A scrimmage kick by K1 is partially blocked in the neutral zone by R1. The kick goes beyond the neutral zone where R2 muffs it back behind the neutral zone. K2 recovers behind the neutral zone and advances across R's goal line.

RULING: Touchdown for K.

COMMENT: The right of the kickers to advance their recovered scrimmage kick depends entirely upon whether the kick is recovered in, behind or beyond the neutral zone. Whether the kick went beyond the neutral zone and then rebounded behind it is of no consequence. The spot of recovery is the only factor. If the recovery is in or behind the neutral zone, K may advance. If the recovery is beyond the neutral zone, K may recover, but may not advance.


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