Whose possession arrow is it?

rwest

Wellmer wrote
AP arrow would stay where it is on a defensive violation such as a kicked ball on the inbounds throw, correct?

Snaqwells wrote
Nope, not at all. Sorry. My opinion on the arrow is different from both the NFHS committee and the vast majority on this board.

Normally, I just follow the rules and keep my mouth shut, though. 🙂

M&M rewards me by not posting his Windmill pic.

I hope I'm not opening a can of night crawlers but what is your opinion on the arrow and how does if differ from the majority opinion?

Adam

rwest wrote
I hope I'm not opening a can of night crawlers but what is your opinion on the arrow and how does if differ from the majority opinion?

My opinion is that the arrow has done its job once the thrower has been handed the ball. I would rather see it so the arrow's only job is start the throwin, not give a complete throwin; it would change as soon as it's handed to the thrower.

Anything that happens during the throwin (fouls, violations, etc) are a result of that throwin, so the arrow has already had its effect on the game.

That said, the committee (and most here agree) believe the throwin team should get a complete throwin; therefore fouls committed during the throwin result in the arrow not switching.

Adam

M&M Guy wrote
I would post a pic of a windmill, but I'm in my room and don't have access to a computer.

Thank the Lord for small favors.

Welpe

This should do the trick...

Upward ref

rwest wrote
The AP throwin ends when the throwin ends or when the team violates. Team A violated, therefore the throwin ended and the arrow is switched to team B. Team B also gets a throwin.

The only way to lose the AP arrow is on an AP throw in , correct ?

just another ref

Upward ref wrote
The only way to lose the AP arrow is on an AP throw in , correct ?

correct

representing

Wellmer wrote
Here's a scenario for you, let's hear the answer without looking it up in the rule book first.

Jump ball. AP arrow belongs to Team A. They are taking the ball out of bounds. Can't get the ball inbounds in the allowed 5 second time frame which now gives possession to Team B. What happens to the AP arrow? Team A or Team B?

If you have a violation, you lose the ball and the arrow. So Team B is given the ball OOB and the arrow is switched once the ball is at the disposal of the Throw-in player.

Adam

representing wrote
If you have a violation, you lose the ball and the arrow. So Team B is given the ball OOB and the arrow is switched once the ball is at the disposal of the Throw-in player.

Close, but not quite. Read the part where it says when the arrow gets switched.

KJUmp

Snaqwells wrote
Yes, the arrow stays when the defense commits a violation before the throw-in ends. This would apply to DOG violations as well.

Also, a foul by either team would leave the arrow in place.

If A committed a defensive violation on the throw-in by kicking, would B's throw-in now be from the spot of the violation?

mbyron

KJUmp wrote
If A committed a defensive violation on the throw-in by kicking, would B's throw-in now be from the spot of the violation?

Yes, following the usual rule for violations.

Nevadaref

Upward ref wrote
The only way to lose the AP arrow is on an AP throw in , correct ?

That's true according to the rules, but I can think of a couple of other ways such as mistakes by the officials or the scorer.

just another ref

Nevadaref wrote
That's true according to the rules, but I can think of a couple of other ways such as mistakes by the officials or the scorer.

Or a really big gust of wind.

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