Whose possession arrow is it?

Wellmer

Here's a scenario for you, let's hear the answer without looking it up in the rule book first.

Jump ball. AP arrow belongs to Team A. They are taking the ball out of bounds. Can't get the ball inbounds in the allowed 5 second time frame which now gives possession to Team B. What happens to the AP arrow? Team A or Team B?

grunewar

I believe this is one of those weird one's where team B get's the ball on the violation and they also gain the AP arrow and get the next held ball/jump ball too.

M&M Guy

Violation by the throw-team, so team B gets the throw-in for the violation, and the arrow changes to team B as well.

rwest

Wellmer wrote
Here's a scenario for you, let's hear the answer without looking it up in the rule book first.

Jump ball. AP arrow belongs to Team A. They are taking the ball out of bounds. Can't get the ball inbounds in the allowed 5 second time frame which now gives possession to Team B. What happens to the AP arrow? Team A or Team B?

The AP throwin ends when the throwin ends or when the team violates. Team A violated, therefore the throwin ended and the arrow is switched to team B. Team B also gets a throwin.

M&M Guy

(This part I looked up: 6-4-4.)

rwest

grunewar wrote
I believe this is one of those weird one's where team B get's the ball on the violation and they also gain the AP arrow and get the next held ball/jump ball too.

That always happens when the throwin team violates on an AP throwin.

Adam

Must.....resist.....temptation.....

rwest

Snaqwells wrote
Must.....resist.....temptation.....

Resist what temptation?

Wellmer

AP arrow would stay where it is on a defensive violation such as a kicked ball on the inbounds throw, correct?

rwest

Wellmer wrote
AP arrow would stay where it is on a defensive violation such as a kicked ball on the inbounds throw, correct?

If the defensive team violates such as a kicked ball then the arrow stays and the resulting throwin is not an AP throwin. It's a throwin for the violation. The previous AP throwin never was completed. That's why the team retains the arrow.

Adam

Wellmer wrote
AP arrow would stay where it is on a defensive violation such as a kicked ball on the inbounds throw, correct?

Yes, the arrow stays when the defense commits a violation before the throw-in ends. This would apply to DOG violations as well.

Also, a foul by either team would leave the arrow in place.

Welpe

Wellmer wrote
Here's a scenario for you, let's hear the answer without looking it up in the rule book first.

Jump ball. AP arrow belongs to Team A. They are taking the ball out of bounds. Can't get the ball inbounds in the allowed 5 second time frame which now gives possession to Team B. What happens to the AP arrow? Team A or Team B?

Without looking at the other posts, the violation by A causes them to lose the arrow. So B would get the throw-in for the violation and the arrow would be switched as well.

Jurassic Referee

M&M Guy wrote
(This part I looked up: 6-4-4.)

And Mr. Wellmer very specifically told you not to look it up in the rulebook.

Go to your room.

Now!

And no playing with anything. That includes yourself.

Bad, M&M.

Bad, bad M&M.:mad:

Adam

"Well, if it isn't our old, mangy, transient grandfather." Texas Ranger Bobby

Wellmer

Just like a lot of coaches, they just won't listen. Just kiddin' 😀

Loudwhistle

rwest wrote
Resist what temptation?

To...........use...............the...........book!!

rwest

Loudwhistle wrote
To...........use...............the...........book!!

And here I thought it was to make some smart alec comment directed at me. I must be paranoid, but that still doesn't mean someone's not out to get me!

M&M Guy

Jurassic Referee wrote
And Mr. Wellmer very specifically told you not to look it up in the rulebook.

Go to your room.

Now!

And no playing with anything. That includes yourself.

Bad, M&M.

Bad, bad M&M.:mad:

Ok, I'm in my room. When can come out for supper? (And yes, I know, I can probably afford to miss a supper, or 7.)

Btw, I did answer the question without looking it up. I just looked up the proper rules reference number after I posted.

So, nyeh nyeh. 😛

Adam

rwest wrote
And here I thought it was to make some smart alec comment directed at me. I must be paranoid, but that still doesn't mean someone's not out to get me!

Nope, not at all. Sorry. My opinion on the arrow is different from both the NFHS committee and the vast majority on this board.

Normally, I just follow the rules and keep my mouth shut, though. 🙂

M&M rewards me by not posting his Windmill pic.

M&M Guy

I would post a pic of a windmill, but I'm in my room and don't have access to a computer.