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Originally Posted by JWP (Post 962174)

Last season, I had one coach who was constantly complaining the about the other team "reaching."

Things Officials Should Probably Not Be Saying In A Game

"Reaching in", reported by an official to the table on a foul against a ball handler, is not necessarily a foul. There must be illegal contact to have a foul. The mere act of reaching in, is by itself, nothing. If illegal contact does occur, it’s probably a holding foul, an illegal use of hands foul, or a hand check foul, and these should be reported to the table as such.

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Originally Posted by Kansas Ref (Post 962183)

*Grrrrr!! hate it when my partner 'cow tows' to these type of calls. It makes me look like I'm too lenient when I do not make such calls (no effect on RSBQ, just defender with quick hands) and it causes the coaches and participants to develop the opinion that we are not "calling it the same on both ends" --which is their predicatable lament.
Whenever my partner ref(s) call 'reach', I pull them aside (during time out or half break or post game) and tell them that it is not a foul. Explaining to them that if you're calling "reaching in" when the that action does not affect RSBQ then you have "nothing" and furthermore, we are not calling the game in a consistent manner. In most cases, the partner responds with "that's what I've been calling for years". It will take a season or two for a ref to dis-embed such a staid mis-conception despite being shown the "light".

Your partner, while using incorrect terminology, might actually be right.....I'm trying to figure out what "reaching in" has to do with RSBQ????

In my mind, the two are unrelated. RSBQ is about handchecking/pushing types of contact affecting ball handler's ability to move.

A defender who "reaches in" and smack the dribbler's arm may not affect any of RSBQ but very well could be and often should be a foul.

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 962137)

Soccer? That's the game for kids who can't use their hands. :rolleyes:

Oh?

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Originally Posted by Pantherdreams (Post 962061)

C: He's going over the back thats a foul.
O: Over the back is not a call. Its only a foul if he's pushing.
C: But he's got him boxed out. He can't reach over him.
O: He can if there is no contact.
O: So whats the point in my kid boxing out.

I've come to love it when you whistle a foul, and it's on the other team than most in the building are expecting. The preceding quote illustrates a perfect example.

During a rebound, A-1 displaces B-2, while B-2 reaches over A-1's back. Wait for it, ball goes to Team A, tweet. Bench A explodes happily, expecting the "over the back" call on B-2, only to be horribly confused when I report A-1's number.

A veteran official I respect highly uses this line: "Boxing out is screening, not displacing." Beautifully succinct.

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 962217)

A varsity coach (losing team) came completely unglued on a 3rd qtr play in which his player, B1, waited for the shooter to return to the floor after A1's 3FGA from the corner. B1 shoved his rear end into A1, displacing/pushing him into A1's bench and onto the lap of a teammate. I am the T...watch my shooter up and down...immediately see the contact so I stay with it. And, I blow.

Coach is beside himself, saying his player was boxing out. I calmly explained that boxing out is not displacing an opponent. He looked at me incredulously. I told him we were moving on, and continued officiating the game.

Video clearly showed illegal contact of the displacement variety. :D

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Originally Posted by #olderthanilook (Post 962746)

Video clearly showed illegal contact of the displacement variety. :D

As long as you called it a non-shooting foul, I love it.

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Originally Posted by #olderthanilook (Post 962746)

I find "boxing out" is something that can quickly get out of hand and lead to rough play but a lot of officials don't want to call tightly. I'm not sure if they feel like its ticky tack/game interruption or that the box outs are not impacting the play enough or maybe their standard for rough isn't the same. In any event this is definitely one of those areas of the game where if you get it early or when it happens the first time it just stops.

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Originally Posted by ballgame99 (Post 962781)

As long as you called it a non-shooting foul, I love it.

Indeed!

I don't remember if the try was successful or not (would have to go back to the video), however, I know I had a non-shooting foul.