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Rob1968 Sat Apr 25, 2015 09:08am

Quote: "First, additional legal sanctions will not dissuade someone who has momentarily lost his or her mind to pause and think, “Oh yeah, If I slug this person, there’s an extra penalty.”

Quote: "There is no evidence that such legislation works as a deterrent to emotional outbursts."

This statement is an extremely tranparent cop-out. By definition, and logistically, a deterrent cannot be tracked -- there is no data to analize if the targetted action has been thwarted/avoided - deterred. Simply, if it didn't happen, there's no way of confidently projecting whether it actually would have occured, if the deterrent factor were not in place.
One may say, "well, during such and such previous timespan, the occurence rate was X. And, a subsequent timespan, with the proposed "deterrent" in place, had a rate of Y, therefore, the "deterrent" was or was not successful."
However, even in retrospect, such statements are projections, and not actual supported data.

This is the fallacy of attempting to view law enforcement as a "deterrent", rather than an enforcement.

Any such legislation is only certainly in play as an enforcement. And if not on the actions of a perpetrator, it most likely would have a deterrent value and effect on future potential perpetrators.
But to dismiss the opportunity to sanction negative actions, based on the statements presented, is an affront to those injurred by the miscreant individuals.

Sports officials deserve better -- better representation by their legislators, better support by all parties involved, and much more respect for the services they render!

BillyMac Sat Apr 25, 2015 10:42am

Wherever Chickens Are Outlawed, Only Outlaws Will Have Chickens ...
 
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Originally Posted by Rob1968 (Post 961272)
Quote: "There is no evidence that such legislation works as a deterrent to emotional outbursts." ... This is the fallacy of attempting to view law enforcement as a "deterrent", rather than an enforcement.

Agree. Laws against drivers speeding on the highways don't seem to deter all drivers from speeding on highways, so let's not have laws against speeding? Laws against murder don't seem to deter murderers, so let's not have laws against murder? Laws against convicted felons owning guns don't seem deter many felons from owning guns, so let's not have laws against felons owning guns? Where does it stop?

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Sat Apr 25, 2015 04:12pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 961269)
Certainly no God-fearing IAABO members: Handbook of IAABO 2014-15 Page 2
IAABO Uniform: The approved official uniform established by the Executive Committee of IAABO shall be:
1) Long black pants (beltless, and not tapered)

Oh, I almost forgot. Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.: Shut up.


I am an IAABO member and so is Junior. Junior has never (with apologies to the late J. Dallas Shirely, who was a Life Member of IAABO, if my memory serves me correctly) worn belted pants when officiating basketball and I have been wearing beltless pants for basketball for about 20 years now.

BUT!! Two years ago Junior had a JV basketball game with a guy who wore belted pants and wore a patent leather belt, :eek:!!

MTD, Sr.

Adam Sat Apr 25, 2015 04:58pm

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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 961280)
BUT!! Two years ago Junior had a JV basketball game with a guy who wore belted pants and wore a patent leather belt, :eek:!!

MTD, Sr.

If you're going to disregard convention, do it with style.

Mark Padgett Sat Apr 25, 2015 07:43pm

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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 961280)
BUT!! Two years ago Junior had a JV basketball game with a guy who wore belted pants and wore a patent leather belt, :eek:!!

This guy owns the patent on leather belts? :eek:

BillyMac Sat Apr 25, 2015 10:19pm

How Many Is A Brazilian ???
 
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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 961282)
This guy owns the patent on leather belts?

He's probably a Brazilianaire.


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