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letemplay Tue Apr 07, 2015 09:38am

Replay views
 
Another take on the not to overturn after review play: Is there a chance the calling official passed on a foul on the Wisconsin player (for contact on Winslow after he had his hands on rebound), awarded the ball to Duke, and then discussed it with his partners while they were in review? What do you do in that case anyway? I'm guessing some of you will say "Don't pass on the foul in that sitch", but given the chance, wouldn't most?

JRutledge Tue Apr 07, 2015 09:45am

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Originally Posted by letemplay (Post 960414)
Another take on the not to overturn after review play: Is there a chance the calling official passed on a foul on the Wisconsin player (for contact on Winslow after he had his hands on rebound), awarded the ball to Duke, and then discussed it with his partners while they were in review? What do you do in that case anyway? I'm guessing some of you will say "Don't pass on the foul in that sitch", but given the chance, wouldn't most?

I think that is rather unlikely in a replay situation.

I just think it is very possible they did not see the view that was the most definitive and not all the angles were definitive.

Peace

jpgc99 Tue Apr 07, 2015 09:58am

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Originally Posted by letemplay (Post 960414)
Another take on the not to overturn after review play: Is there a chance the calling official passed on a foul on the Wisconsin player (for contact on Winslow after he had his hands on rebound), awarded the ball to Duke, and then discussed it with his partners while they were in review? What do you do in that case anyway? I'm guessing some of you will say "Don't pass on the foul in that sitch", but given the chance, wouldn't most?

Pass on a foul?? No.

That's old school thinking and is no longer an option at this level.

Raymond Tue Apr 07, 2015 10:03am

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Originally Posted by letemplay (Post 960414)
Another take on the not to overturn after review play: Is there a chance the calling official passed on a foul on the Wisconsin player (for contact on Winslow after he had his hands on rebound), awarded the ball to Duke, and then discussed it with his partners while they were in review? What do you do in that case anyway? I'm guessing some of you will say "Don't pass on the foul in that sitch", but given the chance, wouldn't most?

I highly, highly doubt that justification works when your game is on national TV.

Best bet, they didn't get a definitive view when they went to the monitor.

BryanV21 Tue Apr 07, 2015 10:07am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 960398)
You have the wrong play.

I don't think so, as Ryan was screaming at the officials to go to the monitor after the play (a time out was called after the play). Seemed to me he wanted a flagrant called on the shooter for going into his player's face.

parrot Tue Apr 07, 2015 10:13am

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Originally Posted by BryanV21 (Post 960419)
I don't think so, as Ryan was screaming at the officials to go to the monitor after the play (a time out was called after the play). Seemed to me he wanted a flagrant called on the shooter for going into his player's face.

That was the Jones/Koenig play, not the Winslow play.

letemplay Tue Apr 07, 2015 10:16am

Inner Will Farrell
 
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Originally Posted by jpgc99 (Post 960417)
Pass on a foul?? No.

That's old school thinking and is no longer an option at this level.

Old School? well, they passed on a "force out" moments before on Winslow stepping on baseline:D

deecee Tue Apr 07, 2015 10:28am

IMO I've seen NBA games better officiated. It just seemed to me that at times the officials were reluctant to call fouls in key moments, and on players on both sides. I doubt it was intentional as it's a pretty stressful position they were in, but their threshold for call/no-calls was confusing at best. Why even have a PC foul in the rule book if it's enforced so inconsistently and piss poorly, and most importantly to me is how does the lead miss an OOB call. On baseline drives in 3 person that's like priority #1.

Either way the officiating didn't effect the outcome. Duke made adjustments and Wisconsin didn't.

BryanV21 Tue Apr 07, 2015 10:30am

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Originally Posted by parrot (Post 960420)
That was the Jones/Koenig play, not the Winslow play.

Oh, sorry

Raymond Tue Apr 07, 2015 10:38am

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Originally Posted by deecee (Post 960423)
IMO I've seen NBA games better officiated....

I would hope so.

Adam Tue Apr 07, 2015 10:39am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 960425)
I would hope so.

spit take

jpgc99 Tue Apr 07, 2015 11:17am

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Originally Posted by deecee (Post 960423)
IMO I've seen NBA games better officiated.

Of course NBA games are better officiated. Those are professional games with staff referees that have enhanced training, evaluation, and consistent points of emphasis from the league.

As far as the out of bounds play, there was a lot of contact high, so I can see how the foot being out of bounds was missed.

These referees - even those in the NBA - are human. You do realize that, yes?

parrot Tue Apr 07, 2015 01:46pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 960344)
What a dumbass.

The game came down to two freshman that made plays. Officiating had nothing to do with this game.

BTW, I was cheering for Wisconsin all the way.

Peace

Yeah, there's no way that two out of bounds calls going the wrong way down the stretch of a 5 point game had any impact on the game.

Camron Rust Tue Apr 07, 2015 01:47pm

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Originally Posted by parrot (Post 960440)
Yeah, there's no way that two out of bounds calls going the wrong way down the stretch of a 5 point game had any impact on the game.

Are you suggesting that Wisc. should not have even been in the game?

parrot Tue Apr 07, 2015 01:53pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 960441)
Are you suggesting that Wisc. should not have even been in the game?

No. :confused:


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