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Multiple Sports Mon Apr 06, 2015 11:28pm

Hope Rich Boyages sends Driscoll to Wisconsin's first home game next year....

frezer11 Mon Apr 06, 2015 11:28pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 960352)
I saw the game. I saw the replays. Only one replay was definitive and without knowing what they were shown, they might not have seen that angle. I hope you do understand that the TV feeds are not necessarily the same angles they show to the officials. And I only saw that angle once and for some reason on the TV they went away from the angle. Sorry, but not sure what you were seeing. We had a dispute in my house over what was the call.

Peace

I don't know what possible debate there could be on this. Only one angle really showed it, sure, but that angle was ABSOLUTELY UNDENIABLY definitive. I'm not going to blame the officials entirely as we don't know what angles were made available to them, but there should be no dispute whatsoever what the correct call should have been. If they didn't see that one view, then no way the call should be overturned, and they got it right. But if they saw that one? Then it's a big mistake

Camron Rust Mon Apr 06, 2015 11:28pm

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 960355)
A big guy who can put the ball on the floor, like Kaminsky, is a great beneficiary of the current (non)travel rule in the NCAA. Case in point is the move at the 9:20 mark which picked up Okafor's 4th foul.

And that one wasn't even close. It was so far from being close, he traveled twice on the same move before the foul. No wonder Okafor couldn't keep position.

just another ref Mon Apr 06, 2015 11:30pm

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 960348)
"You just have to able to hands and the checking. There was more body contact than any game we played all year, and I just feel sorry for my guys that, all of a sudden, a game was like that. They (UW players) are struggling with that a little.... It's a shame it had to be played that way."


And his team didn't do any of this contact? (and if they didn't why didn't they?) Wisconsin had 2 team fouls the whole first half. I don't think they were hurt by the officiating.

SCalScoreKeeper Mon Apr 06, 2015 11:31pm

The officials are supposed to be getting the same angles we get at home correct? If so I was watching at home and thought it should've been Wisconsin ball out of bounds.

JRutledge Mon Apr 06, 2015 11:33pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 960358)
Good call...arms no where near vertical.

Out of all the calls all night, I hated this call. To me the Duke player shoved his shoulder and caused the Wisconsin player to "bow" and IMO this should have been a no call.

Peace

just another ref Mon Apr 06, 2015 11:34pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 960359)
Despite the fit Ryan was pitching about that play, there wasn't anything close to a FF1 on the play. You can't call a FF1 on a shooter because the defender rammed his face into the shooters elbow as the shooter was going up.

True. This is an old story with a relatively new way to complain about it. I've been explaining to people for thirty years why the foul is on the player with the blood on his face.

"He literally stuck his nose where it didn't belong."

dahoopref Mon Apr 06, 2015 11:36pm

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Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper (Post 960365)
The officials are supposed to be getting the same angles we get at home correct? If so I was watching at home and thought it should've been Wisconsin ball out of bounds.

You would hope so but sometimes they do not thanks to the DV Sports system that is used by the NCAA.

DI basketball championships to use advanced timing, replay technologies | NCAA.com

MechanicGuy Mon Apr 06, 2015 11:41pm

So many travels.

jpgc99 Mon Apr 06, 2015 11:55pm

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Originally Posted by asjdksadklj (Post 960340)
Unfortunate to have such a great game come down to the officiating.

Is this abcdef again? Go away.

Matt Mon Apr 06, 2015 11:56pm

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 960364)
And his team didn't do any of this contact? (and if they didn't why didn't they?)

Because they don't play that style. They simply don't foul much.


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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 960364)
Wisconsin had 2 team fouls the whole first half. I don't think they were hurt by the officiating.

See above.

jpgc99 Mon Apr 06, 2015 11:56pm

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Originally Posted by KCRC (Post 960341)
Why waste time with a review rule if it's not going to be properly applied?

If you are talking about the out of bounds call, there was not enough to overrun it. You can't tell if the hand touched the ball.

frezer11 Tue Apr 07, 2015 12:00am

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Originally Posted by jpgc99 (Post 960373)
If you are talking about the out of bounds call, there was not enough to overrun it. You can't tell if the hand touched the ball.

Yes you can, it was very clearly off Duke. Officials may not have gotten to see that angle, but it clearly went off Duke

Matt Tue Apr 07, 2015 12:00am

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Originally Posted by jpgc99 (Post 960373)
If you are talking about the out of bounds call, there was not enough to overrun it. You can't tell if the hand touched the ball.

You most certainly can on at least one, probably two angles.

jpgc99 Tue Apr 07, 2015 12:03am

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Originally Posted by Matt (Post 960375)
You most certainly can on at least one, probably two angles.

I never saw the direction of the ball change. His hand could have been behind the ball but not touching it.


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