Camps in NC, SC. VA
 

Now with HS season over..focus switches to summer Camps...

Recomendations for camps in

1) North Carolina

2) Upstate SC Area

3) VA

Thanks!

If you're looking for a high school camp for purely self-improvement, the Palmetto Basketball Officials Camp in York, SC is a good one for a small price. The website hasn't put up its 2015 information yet, but here is last year's information.

http://www.district3hoops.com/camps/York%202014.pdf

If you're trying to be seen by college assignors, I think Presbyterian College in Clinton, SC puts on an officials' camp at its Camp of Champions, but don't hold me to that.

I've been to the that camp, it's brutal. Unless you have a good chance of getting picked up, don't go.

Need to know your goals and expectations.

BNR, what was brutal about it, in your opinion? Too many games? Extremely tough competition? Harsh critics? You're not the first person I've heard this from, and your thoughts may help me down the road.

They use at least 5 venues for their game, and 3 of them are very hot and humid. They use a pod system and you just continually move from court to court to work games. You check in Father's Day evening and work games Monday/Tuesday/Wednesday. The post game meetings Monday and Tuesday night keep campers up until 1:00 in the morning, and you have to be ready to work by 8 in the morning. By Wednesday, the observers appear to be just as tired as the campers. All the games are not that good. It is not top flight competition.

I went in 2009 & 2010. I have heard that attendance for this camp has dwindled over the years.

I've heard the lack of A/C complaint from more than one person. That's just not reasonable/comfortable during June/July in SC. Our summers are brutal.

Good to know your thoughts.

1) Become a better HS Official..Not in my goals to go behind an Elite HS official:)

2) Obtain a very solid understanding of all aspects of 3 person.

s/b beyond:p

Roger Ayers and Mike Eades run a camp in the Lynchburg, VA area with the main goal being instruction.

Greg Bennett (ODAC) and Dennis Ashcraft (USA South) run the so-called "DIII Supercamp" at U. of Richmond in late June. A little expensive ($375) but worth it in my opinion because you get three full days of games, a nice A/C room to rest in and do video review, a dorm room, and all the food you can eat at the dining hall. Also, their 3-person philosophy is different but good; it will rub some old-timers the wrong way, but once you try it you'll find yourself seeing plays better than before.

Will they pick up a few guys each year? Sure. But it's primarily a teaching camp and it accomplishes this very, very well. I highly recommend it.

Only potential downside is that it's the same weekend as the VHSL teaching camp, so if you're VHSL and you have long-term HS playoff aspirations, this camp should probably be your priority.

Care to share?

Can you elaborate a bit on this?

Arem is quicker than I on the draw

I love Gregg's 3-person philosophies. I used to be against them, but the more I employ them, the better I see plays.

Also, I sent you a private message.

It's OK for you to share here. I'm always up for some learning.


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I'll second that:D

It's an NBA-ish philosophy (which all college officials will get to know and love if Joe DeRosa takes over for John Adams). Watch what Joe does, particularly once he becomes the C.

The philosophy starts with ball lines. Stay outside the ball lines; always be on the outside looking in.

As for L rotations, don't go simply based on quantity of players. Go because there's either something to officiate or (if you have a good feel for the game) because you anticipate there will be something to officiate. The keys to rotation are a competitive matchup in the post and/or a player on the opposite wing with a teammate either in the corner or moving to the corner. The latter key assumes the offense is setting up for a tray or a baseline drive, and you want to be there to either officiate strong-side rebounding or the drive to the basket. If the keys aren't there, don't rotate. The action is sparse and open enough for the C to handle.

The C should A) one-step open low or open high to get a good look between players, with the priority on opening low if at all possible, and B) not be in a hurry to go back to T if the L rotates to C's side. Stay and officiate! Two C's is not at all bad. The ball is moving to the basket in our game; never move away from where the ball is destined to go unless absolutely necessary. Get angles with subtle movements rather than big ones; it's easier to see plays when you're standing still rather than moving around. Besides, player motion is so erratic and constant in the modern game that the moment you try to get an angle it will probably disappear. So you might as well let the players create the angles for you. They always do.

The T can start in the traditional position, but as the lateral ball line moves in, move in with it. Should you need to transition to C, you'll be that much closer. And once you've moved in, even if you don't rotate to C, stay in, because the ball is probably still headed for the basket (the object is to score, after all). Only if the offense completely resets should the T back out and start over.

So there ya' go.

Well said, CC55. Gregg would be proud.

Imo
 

I've attended both camps multiple times, and both are great camps. IMO, it depends on where you are on the learning cycle of the 3-person system. If you
are beginning the learning process, the VHSL camp is the one to choose. Later after gaining experience, the D3 camp would be my choice.

Could you please explain what "ball lines", "lateral ball lines", "open high", and "open low" are?

Been to the camp...this is pretty much on point.

I will say, as far as NBA-ish philosophies go...the keys for initiating as the lead aren't the same. The NBA philosophy is a lot more aggressive. I prefer the NBA's stance on rotations as the lead...but overall, the mechanics thought at the D3 camps are sound, and a great camp for those at all levels. I went to the camp the past two years (as BNR can attest to), and have gotten a lot from the camp.

Plus the food doesn't hurt. ;)

I've had numerous discussions with fellow HS officials that say I rotate too much and it's interesting that I already have some of this philosophy. I always tell newer officials to not rely on a ball settling low to move - if you do that, you'll always be late rotating or plays will happen where you wish you were on the other side.


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Agree. In my somewhat limited 3.person experience, waiting for the ball to settling low makes you late to the play. In isn't as bad as 2-person since the c is in a much better spot to cover than the traditional, but all the better to be the as the play is forming rather than after it starts or is half way over.

I second this. I could make educated guesses, but I'd rather have them confirmed by those more experienced than I.

Soooo?

Okay, since there's some sort of D-3 Supercamp / ODAC party going on here, I decided to finally log in again and post something.

There are two ball lines at any given time. The first ball line passes through the ball and is parallel to the end line (this is what CC5 is referring to as the lateral ball line). The second passes through the ball and is parallel to the sideline. The goal is always to stay outside of the ball lines, but as CC5 points out, when the lateral ball line moves towards the baseline, so should the T.

In the C, "open high" means to step away from the baseline and referee that play from the top side. "Open low" means to step down towards the baseline, and referee that play from the bottom side.


Brief fanboy mode: I agree with others here that I wasn't totally on board with this the first time I learned it. But I'll be damned if I didn't get more plays right when I started applying their court coverage and rotation philosophies.

And all things being equal, "open low" being his preferred option.

So, what you are saying is that these are the same things many of us have been doing for years but someone has given them new words so that it sounds like some great new technique. In 5 or 6 years expect someone to coin another term for this and make it sound like something new and then use it to make those who don't know the new lingo sound like they are not keeping up with the "changes" in mechanics.

Yeah I don't see how this is an NBA philosophy, I see 90 percent of the college guys on TV doing this same thing. And when I go to camps I hear "mirror the ball" and "close down to the endline as Trail" and "it's ok to have two C's" and C always goes to the "open low" position when there is a shot on the wing. Sounds like different terminology for the same stuff.

Exactly the terms I was thinking of... They mean exactly the same thing.

I see A LOT of college and HS officials who back out of the C when the ball is in their primary and who bail out in the Trail, and who never close down in Trail, who do not mirror the ball in the Lead.

So, no, it's not what everyone already does.

Many may not do it, but that doesn't mean they're not being taught it.

Are those guys the 90% of college officials I see on TV? I see a lot of officials doing the same thing you mention....but I wasn't referencing them in my post.