NC State vs Villanova (Video 2/2)
 

Roughly 2:15 to go in game. NC State gets whistled for a foul giving Villanova a three point play. What was called? It seemed like it was called by the trailing official. What's he looking at from that angle?

He called a push in the back, which there might have been but it was slight. Sure came in from a long, LONG way from a deep trail to call that push a foot from the baseline on the center's side

Part of why I'm asking is that it looked like if there was any contact, it was with the Villanova player between him and the shooter.

The NC State's player's hand was definitely near his back, just not sure how much a push there was. But if there was one, the trail had easily the best angle despite the distance.

I'm with you guys on this one. If the T is going to come screaming in to get a foul here, it better be an elephant. This was no elephant. The look on the L's face was, "dude, seriously?"

I have a DVR and I stopped it here before the announcers could announce anything. Played it a few times to try and guess what was going to get called. I thought if anything the V shot would be good, and then V would get the ball for the common foul by NC St. on the player between the NC St. player and the shooter. But then I thought, "this would be a very odd call for an emphatically closing trail official to make." Sure enough, he called the foul in the act of shooting.

About a minute later the same official called a travel on a V player in the paint. That was technically a good call, but there hadn't been too many of those types of calls in the game, and here we were with three minutes left. Hmmm

Between that call and the one before, Jay Wright almost lost it. If there hadn't been a chaplain on the bench, he just might have.

Probably not this official's finest few minutes. I think he got a little caught up in the emotion of the game. Been there, done that, and I get a little better every time I'm in that kind of scenario. And then I move up a level and the learning curve gets even steeper.

Well, the first call, which the OP is about, was very much in Nova's favor, so I doubt that had much to do with Wright's whining. I did notice him, on consecutive timeouts, walk right past his players to get in an official's face.

Seems like a joy to officiate in front of

I called the travel from my couch. Absolutely the right call. Some people gotsta work real hard to rip on a crew when they get one right.

This is probably an obvious question for most of you, but I just want to clarify:
-Team A has the ball and loses possession.
-The ball is loose.
-Loose ball ends up in a held ball.

If the arrow is for Team A, they get possession with the shot clock where it's at.
If the arrow is for Team B, they get possession with a new shot clock.

Is that correct?

It depends.

Please re-evaluate your thinking on this. Just because no one had traveled in the first 37 minutes, you are going to let a player get away with breaking a basic rule, gaining an unfair advantage that leads to an easy bucket late in a close game?

Without knowing exactly how the rule works, I'd think that any use of the possession arrow coming from a held ball should result in a fresh shot clock for the team with the arrow in every circumstance. Based on the end of this game, that's obviously not the case.

I could potentially see keeping the shot clock where it's at in the case of a ball getting caught between the backboard and the rim.

If it lodges that means it hit the rim.

True. Unless it's an errant pass, right? ;-)

Well hold on, that's not what I implied. I meant there had been several travels either passed on or not seen. For the sake of consistency (which I know you, as a coach, desire), I have to take this into consideration.

If it's the first time I see it or we've made a point of calling it the whole game, than yes, absolutely I have a travel here. And it was a travel; that I'm not denying.

I'm not sure why BadNewsRef said, "it depends," though I'm sure he had a technical reason. But in essence, what you listed was correct. No re-set if the team in control has the arrow. There's no "change in possession" so it's just as if the ball was deflected out of bounds by the defense.

I don't think any good official passeson many, if any, travels he or she sees (or I should say, recognizes as a travel.)

Also BTW, while I was a high school coach for 11 years, I've now been officiating for 8. I haven't posted here much in the last couple years so I imagine many who post now don't know that when I started reading and posting here, I was still coaching.

Depends if the defense, at some point, gained possession of the ball prior to the tie up.

The reason I initially assumed it would be a fresh shot clock either way is that a held ball is essentially dual possession, so getting the ball via the arrow would be a fresh possession either way.

A.R. 212. Player A1 attempts a try for goal and:
1. The shot-clock horn sounds while the ball is in flight. The ball does not hit the ring or flange and is simultaneously recovered by A2 and B2 for a held ball; or
2. After the try does not hit the ring or flange, it is simultaneously recovered by A2 and B2 for a held ball. The shot-clock horn does not sound.

RULING 1: A shot-clock violation has occurred and the ball is awarded to Team B at a designated spot.

2: Since the shot-clock horn has not sounded, there is no violation. The alternating-possession arrow shall be used with no reset of the shot clock when the alternating-possession arrow favors the
team that shot the ball.(Rule 9-12.4, 9-12.1, 9-12.3 and .4, 6-4.1.a and 2-11.7.i)

I'm not disputing that that's the rule. I'm just explaining why it might not be obvious to the casual viewer, and why I asked to begin with.

I'd rather just post the rule than speculate what people may or may not be thinking. Always the best way to settle a rules discussion.

I have to disagree with this.

There HAS to have been a directive to NCAA officials regarding traveling. There are at least marginal travels on nearly every possession, particularly from players catching the ball going away from their basket. They can damn near do whatever they want to square themselves up.

And we may as well adopt the NBA's "2 step" rule because there are probably 10 plays a game that to me, are clear travels (and replays back me up), that are ignored. They aren't even commented on by most fans/announcers because they're so used to NBA-level moves. Spin moves to the basket, "Euro-steps", tucking the ball, etc. None of it gets called.

I HOPE that this isn't just officials being oblivious to what I consider quite obvious travels.

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I don't know if its a directive or not. BUT I agree that on every possession there is footwork that is well beyond questionable. Particularly on take offs, and a lot of plays in transition.

Now the pace of the game I can see missing at times because you are trying to get angles, uncertain of gather etc. But guys changing pivot feet or lifting their back foot before the ball is out with someone watching that competitive 1 on 1 matchup come on. If footwork is being missed because guys are too worried about watching the contact then by all means get rid of the contact. But don't allow travels to occur because of contact violations are not supposed to be advantage disadvantage.