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acgod24 Thu Mar 05, 2015 10:02am

Ohio State vs Penn State Offensive Foul Thoughts? (Video)
 
Thoughts on this call???? That's bad at any level

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-...004334735.html

deecee Thu Mar 05, 2015 10:22am

I thought the foul was called on red. If it's on white, then I have no idea what the ref saw. Maybe he didn't like JoePa?

Raymond Thu Mar 05, 2015 10:26am

As I posted a few weeks ago, another call where an official allows himself to get fooled by blowing a whistle on the feigned reaction of a player, instead of actually seeing the contact.

acgod24 Thu Mar 05, 2015 10:48am

The foul was on the white player. Obviously #23 Red pushes the guy on purpose to prevent the breakaway.

JRutledge Thu Mar 05, 2015 11:16am

Not only that, I felt it was a flop or embellishment on the PSU player. But if anything I am going to call, it would have been a FF1 on the OSU player. Just wow I guess.

Peace

Camron Rust Thu Mar 05, 2015 12:15pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 956989)
As I posted a few weeks ago, another call where an official allows himself to get fooled by blowing a whistle on the feigned reaction of a player, instead of actually seeing the contact.

Apparently, the foul was called on the player doing the reacting....even worse.

JRutledge Thu Mar 05, 2015 12:41pm

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Peace

crosscountry55 Thu Mar 05, 2015 12:57pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 957008)
Not only that, I felt it was a flop or embellishment on the PSU player. But if anything I am going to call, it would have been a FF1 on the OSU player. Just wow I guess.

Peace

This brings up a good point. Ignoring the bad call, what do you do here when you observe the shove by Red? The breakaway player was not yet in the act of shooting, but he's got a clear path to a highlight-reel dunk.

For me, if it's not flagrant, no call. But....it's a clear attempt to make the ball dead before the try begins, so reluctantly I have to call a F1 here (intentional in NFHS). I would hope for PSU that two shots and the ball would garner at least if not more points than a single breakaway field goal.

Other thoughts?

AremRed Thu Mar 05, 2015 01:21pm

I think the official called the foul for the offensive player sliding into the defenders path illegally screening him. The shove by the defender was a reaction to getting screened off.

Raymond Thu Mar 05, 2015 01:43pm

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Originally Posted by crosscountry55 (Post 957030)
This brings up a good point. Ignoring the bad call, what do you do here when you observe the shove by Red? The breakaway player was not yet in the act of shooting, but he's got a clear path to a highlight-reel dunk.

For me, if it's not flagrant, no call. But....it's a clear attempt to make the ball dead before the try begins, so reluctantly I have to call a F1 here (intentional in NFHS). I would hope for PSU that two shots and the ball would garner at least if not more points than a single breakaway field goal.

Other thoughts?

If I blow the whistle to call a foul on Red, then it has to be FF1/Intentional.

Raymond Thu Mar 05, 2015 01:47pm

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 957038)
I think the official called the foul for the offensive player sliding into the defenders path illegally screening him. The shove by the defender was a reaction to getting screened off.

I think your post is the epitome' of B1G Ten officiating homer-ism....LMAO :p

It's alright if one of your guys blows a call. ;)

bob jenkins Thu Mar 05, 2015 02:28pm

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Originally Posted by crosscountry55 (Post 957030)
But....it's a clear attempt to make the ball dead before the try begins, so reluctantly I have to call a F1 here (intentional in NFHS).

Disagree that "it's a clear attempt to make the ball dead".

Adam Thu Mar 05, 2015 02:42pm

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 957038)
I think the official called the foul for the offensive player sliding into the defenders path illegally screening him. The shove by the defender was a reaction to getting screened off.

That might work if the screener had made contact first. From what I can see in the video, the first actual contact is the shove. It's possible they were watching for and anticipated an illegal screen here, but even if that's the case, they jumped the gun.

Camron Rust Thu Mar 05, 2015 02:47pm

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 957038)
I think the official called the foul for the offensive player sliding into the defenders path illegally screening him. The shove by the defender was a reaction to getting screened off.

That might be but they were a couple feet apart except for the defender's outstretched arm that was used to push the offensive player. It might have become an illegal screen eventually, but it didn't. Even if it did, I'd probably rule that shooter was far enough ahead that it was incidental.

ILRef80 Thu Mar 05, 2015 04:18pm

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 957038)
I think the official called the foul for the offensive player sliding into the defenders path illegally screening him. The shove by the defender was a reaction to getting screened off.

You're....kidding, right?

bob jenkins Thu Mar 05, 2015 04:51pm

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Originally Posted by ILRef80 (Post 957074)
You're....kidding, right?

I agree that's (likely) what was called. Whether the call would be graded as "correct" or "incorrect" is a different matter.

AremRed Thu Mar 05, 2015 08:28pm

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Originally Posted by ILRef80 (Post 957074)
You're....kidding, right?

Uh, no. Why would I be?

jpgc99 Thu Mar 05, 2015 08:35pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ILRef80 (Post 957074)
You're....kidding, right?



I would guess that the official probably was calling what was described... I don't know what else he possibly could have ruled?

With that said, an explanation of why the call was made does not make it the correct call.

Camron Rust Thu Mar 05, 2015 09:57pm

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 957091)
Uh, no. Why would I be?

You think it was an illegal screen or you just think the official thought it was an illegal screen?

AremRed Thu Mar 05, 2015 10:24pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 957107)
You think it was an illegal screen or you just think the official thought it was an illegal screen?

The latter.

Camron Rust Fri Mar 06, 2015 01:09am

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 957111)
The latter.

Ok, that is what I was hoping. :D


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