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Terrapins Fan Thu Mar 05, 2015 09:41am

coach's box
 
We had a situation the other night, where the team bench chairs, were outside of the coach's box. There were four chairs outside of the box toward the mid court and the table.it is unclear who is set here presumably, the head coach and his assistants.

One of our officials always move the chairs back into the coaches box area as the other team did not have any chairs toward the mid court all their chairs were from the coach's box toward the end line.

The home team, who had the chairs toward the mid court, complains and wrote a letter to the Executive Board. They want to be able to keep four chairs outside of the coach's box for coaches. I've looked into the rulebook but can I find a rule saying they cannot have chairs outside of the coach's box. Thoughts?

Terrapins Fan Thu Mar 05, 2015 09:42am

by the way after quite a few rough years, it's good to be a Terrapin fan again.

Adam Thu Mar 05, 2015 09:45am

They can put the chairs where they want, but if the HC starts out sitting in one of those chairs that isn't within the box, he doesn't get to use the box.

JeffM Thu Mar 05, 2015 09:54am

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Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan (Post 956962)
by the way after quite a few rough years, it's good to be a Terrapin fan again.

Go Terps! Moving to the B1G has worked out well for the men and the women.

BEAREF Thu Mar 05, 2015 09:55am

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 956965)
They can put the chairs where they want, but if the HC starts out sitting in one of those chairs that isn't within the box, he doesn't get to use the box.

Rule citation please...

MD Longhorn Thu Mar 05, 2015 10:10am

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Originally Posted by BEAREF (Post 956970)
Rule citation please...

You really need a rule citation to tell you that the coach has to be in the coaching box?

Really?

deecee Thu Mar 05, 2015 10:20am

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Originally Posted by md longhorn (Post 956976)
you really need a rule citation to tell you that the coach has to be in the coaching box?

Really?

+1

Raymond Thu Mar 05, 2015 10:20am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam (Post 956965)
They can put the chairs where they want, but if the HC starts out sitting in one of those chairs that isn't within the box, he doesn't get to use the box.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BEAREF (Post 956970)
Rule citation please...

Quote:

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 956976)
You really need a rule citation to tell you that the coach has to be in the coaching box?

Really?

No, he wants a rule citation that says that a coach who starts the game seated outside the coach's box may not then use the box for the rest of the game:


10.5.1 SITUATION C:

The coach of Team B sits on the opposite end of the bench from where the optional coaching box is located. The coach rises only when *permitted by rule.

RULING: Legal. The coach is not required to use the optional coaching box even though it has been adopted by the state association. However, if the coach begins the game by sitting somewhere other than where the box is located, he/she may not use the box privileges any time during the game. The coach must begin the game in a position within the box if he/she wishes to stand when *permitted under the optional coaching-box provisions.




Let's not be so quick to jump on folks if we're not following the what's being said in the thread. ;)

BEAREF Thu Mar 05, 2015 10:21am

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Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 956976)
You really need a rule citation to tell you that the coach has to be in the coaching box?

Really?

I would like to see the rule that says that a coach is required to sit on a chair or spot on the bench that is within the coaching box.

Raymond Thu Mar 05, 2015 10:21am

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Originally Posted by BEAREF (Post 956981)
I would like to see the rule that says that a coach is required to sit on a chair or spot on the bench that is within the coaching box.

Look above your post. :cool:

Robert E. Harrison Thu Mar 05, 2015 10:34am

Case Book
 
Case Book Rule 10.5.1 Situatiation C in the ruling it says he must start the game in the box.

Terrapins Fan Thu Mar 05, 2015 10:36am

1-13-1 states that game management designates the location of the benches. I think I can safely assume that the home team would be game management in this situation since it is not a neutral court.

Could they, if they want it, use chairs all the way up to the scores table for players while keeping the coaches inside the coaches box? What if, they did not do the same thing for the visiting team?

Raymond Thu Mar 05, 2015 10:40am

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Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan (Post 956994)
1-13-1 states that game management designates the location of the benches. I think I can safely assume that the home team would be game management in this situation since it is not a neutral court.

Could they, if they want it, use chairs all the way up to the scores table for players while keeping the coaches inside the coaches box? What if, they did not do the same thing for the visiting team?

1-13-1 and it's case play answers your question.

Terrapins Fan Thu Mar 05, 2015 10:43am

Thanks.

Raymond Thu Mar 05, 2015 10:45am

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Originally Posted by Robert E. Harrison (Post 956993)
Case Book Rule 10.5.1 Situatiation C in the ruling it says he must start the game in the box.

It says he must start the game in the box in order to use the box. He is free to sit in a chair outside the box and stay there for the rest of the game.

Adam Thu Mar 05, 2015 11:38am

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Originally Posted by Robert E. Harrison (Post 956993)
Case Book Rule 10.5.1 Situatiation C in the ruling it says he must start the game in the box.

Unless he doesn't want to use the box, in which case he can sit anywhere on the designated bench.

Chris Whitten Fri Mar 06, 2015 09:47am

Vandy
 
Vandy for years has elected to have the benches off the endline. I've never noticed, but I don't recall any restriction for the coaches in this setting. Is there any?

Robert E. Harrison Fri Mar 06, 2015 10:18am

In 25 years
 
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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 957009)
Unless he doesn't want to use the box, in which case he can sit anywhere on the designated bench.

I have never had a coach refuse to use the coaches box. I have had my U1 tell the coach he needs to get in the box before I toss the ball.

SCalScoreKeeper Fri Mar 06, 2015 10:20am

I was going to ask that same question Chris.I can't imagine the coaches being allowed to roam the entire baseline in that setup.

Adam Fri Mar 06, 2015 10:22am

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Originally Posted by Robert E. Harrison (Post 957148)
I have never had a coach refuse to use the coaches box. I have had my U1 tell the coach he needs to get in the box before I toss the ball.

"Coach, if you're going to use it, you'll need to start the game within the box."

I've never had to address this, but I'm not going to issue a directive that isn't supported by rule. I'll give him the choices that are provided in the case play.

AremRed Sat Mar 07, 2015 01:38am

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 957150)
"Coach, if you're going to use it, you'll need to start the game within the box."

I've never had to address this, but I'm not going to issue a directive that isn't supported by rule. I'll give him the choices that are provided in the case play.

I have never enforced this and doubt any of the refs around here would back me up if I tried to.

"Sorry coach you can't stand up cuz you started the game sitting outside the coaching box.'' Yeah that'll go over well.

Camron Rust Sat Mar 07, 2015 02:43am

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 957209)
I have never enforced this and doubt any of the refs around here would back me up if I tried to.

"Sorry coach you can't stand up cuz you started the game sitting outside the coaching box.'' Yeah that'll go over well.

Not me either but I have heard of one or two officials who make an issue over it.

Rich Sat Mar 07, 2015 09:22am

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 957209)
I have never enforced this and doubt any of the refs around here would back me up if I tried to.

"Sorry coach you can't stand up cuz you started the game sitting outside the coaching box.'' Yeah that'll go over well.

Sometimes you need to know the rules in order to know when you're not enforcing one.

I do remember back in the day of the 6 foot box a coach who always put his chair in the middle of it before the game started. He told me once an official had enforced that rule and he'd never made that mistake since.

SNIPERBBB Sat Mar 07, 2015 09:28am

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Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper (Post 957149)
I was going to ask that same question Chris.I can't imagine the coaches being allowed to roam the entire baseline in that setup.

I recall several years ago when Tubby was till at Kentucky seeing him standing on the end line, a few steps off the sideline coaching.

Coaches are rarely sitting down at the tip to even know where they will be sitting. And if they are sitting, it's probably to going to be a blowout so your probably not going to have any issues anyways.

Fan10 Mon Mar 09, 2015 08:53pm

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Originally Posted by Chris Whitten (Post 957145)
Vandy for years has elected to have the benches off the endline. I've never noticed, but I don't recall any restriction for the coaches in this setting. Is there any?

I have attended one game there as a fan about 10 years ago. Throughout the game, I noticed that when the ball went to the other end, Kevin Stallings would regularly come out to about the free throw line. He never interfered with the game as he always bailed when possession changed. The opposing coach did no such thing.

I don't know if Stallings coming out was something no one noticed (since obviously the ref's backs were to him) or if it was something they agree on in pregame due to the unique setup there.

paulsonj72 Mon Mar 09, 2015 10:34pm

Vanderbilt coaching box effective starting next season.

http://www.tennessean.com/story/spor...-box/24256805/


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