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Raymond Sun Mar 01, 2015 11:35pm

Whistle from Trail--ASU/Colorado (Video)
 
Arizona St/Colorado, 3:20 of the 2nd half.

Trail comes with a long distance whistle right in front of the Lead and with the C closed. The replay to me, shows why he did, IMO. Judge for yourself.

thanks Gurus!!!!

Bonus play: The play was an And-1. On the ensuing free throw the defense violates, and both the L and C relay the number to the table. I know this, or something similar, was discussed recently as far as confusing the table by giving too much information on a violation.

APG Tue Mar 03, 2015 12:34am

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just another ref Tue Mar 03, 2015 01:17am

Travel on number 11.

Rich Tue Mar 03, 2015 01:36am

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 956750)
Travel on number 11.

Thank goodness basketball really isn't called this way.

just another ref Tue Mar 03, 2015 01:47am

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 956756)
Thank goodness basketball really isn't called this way.

Catch with left foot on the floor. Steps out with the right foot. Lifts left foot then puts it back down before the release.

Rich Tue Mar 03, 2015 02:32am

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 956758)
Catch with left foot on the floor. Steps out with the right foot. Lifts left foot then puts it back down before the release.

And I can't imagine a single D1 game with that call being made. Learn from that.

just another ref Tue Mar 03, 2015 02:51am

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 956760)
And I can't imagine a single D1 game with that call being made. Learn from that.


What am I to learn? D1 has nothing to do with me. We're looking at a replay. I say I saw a travel. You don't say that I'm wrong, just that this call won't be made. Kinda proves my point.

AremRed Tue Mar 03, 2015 03:14am

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 956761)
Kinda proves my point.

I don't know about everyone else but I kinda wish you'd shut the fu¢k up about it. We know it's a travel by rule. We know it isn't called at the D1 level and is creeping into the lower levels. But it's how traveling is officiated nowadays.

just another ref Tue Mar 03, 2015 03:39am

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 956764)
We know it's a travel by rule. We know it isn't called at the D1 level and is creeping into the lower levels. But it's how traveling is officiated nowadays.


http://http://davehallofficiating.co...he-spin-travel

Camron Rust Tue Mar 03, 2015 03:43am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 956613)
Arizona St/Colorado, 3:20 of the 2nd half.

Trail comes with a long distance whistle right in front of the Lead and with the C closed. The replay to me, shows why he did, IMO. Judge for yourself.

Agree. He had the best angle for the play....looking between the defender and the shooter.

Nevadaref Tue Mar 03, 2015 03:52am

I don't see how the C doesn't have a foul here.
Also, I have to wonder why both the L and C are looking at the same guy during the FT for the violation. One of them shouldn't be looking there.

AremRed Tue Mar 03, 2015 03:53am

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 956768)

Fixed your URL: http://davehallofficiating.com/get-the-spin-travel

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 956770)
Agree. He had the best angle for the play....looking between the defender and the shooter.

I don't like this from Trail. Nowhere near his primary, nowhere near his secondary, not a game-saving or crew-saving call. Lead or C could easily get this and Trail needs to let them referee their primaries.

Camron Rust Tue Mar 03, 2015 04:28am

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 956772)
I don't like this from Trail. Nowhere near his primary, nowhere near his secondary, not a game-saving or crew-saving call. Lead or C could easily get this and Trail needs to let them referee their primaries.

Where else should he be looking? It was a rebound/put-back and all 5 defensive players were in the paint, 3 of them were not near another player, and the other two were at the ball. The Lead was straighlined...no angle at all. It was not on the C's side of the paint and while the C could have got it, the T had a better angle given the direction the contact came from....the outside defender. If the foul was on the #1, then the C had the best view. Plus, isn't the T"s side of the paint the T's secondary?

Nevadaref Tue Mar 03, 2015 05:18am

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 956773)
If the foul was on the #1, then the C had the best view.

I see the foul as committed by #1.

bob jenkins Tue Mar 03, 2015 08:53am

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 956758)
Catch with left foot on the floor. Steps out with the right foot. Lifts left foot then puts it back down before the release.

While I agree that the ball hit red 11's hands when his left foot was on the floor, it's impossible to tell at real speed whether he really caught the ball before the right foot hit the floor.

JRutledge Tue Mar 03, 2015 09:30am

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 956750)
Travel on number 11.

Only you!!!

Peace

JRutledge Tue Mar 03, 2015 09:32am

BTW, I have no problem with a foul by the trail on this play. They are mostly looking up top and this is easier in many cases to see this foul. The lead is not in a great angle and often has a blocked view.

Peace

Raymond Tue Mar 03, 2015 10:28am

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 956761)
What am I to learn? D1 has nothing to do with me. We're looking at a replay. I say I saw a travel. You don't say that I'm wrong, just that this call won't be made. Kinda proves my point.

I say that you are completely wrong. He didn't cleanly catch the ball. His right foot was his pivot foot.

Raymond Tue Mar 03, 2015 10:29am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 956776)
I see the foul as committed by #1.

He reported a push on #1, but it was actually #40 who bumped the shooter.

Rich Tue Mar 03, 2015 10:49am

We need to stop thinking that the T is not well-positioned to see these kind of things. The L sometimes has the WORST view if the play is up high and with the ball going to the basket, what else is the T going to be looking at?

Truth is, we have 3 officials with 3 very different views. If one of them has the right view to come get a foul, come get the foul. When someone's taking it to the hole everyone should have an initial look before moving to rebounding action.

Since we have 3 officials, there's no need to guess -- if you're the L and don't see a foul, stay off it and trust the outside guys are looking too.

Staying in your primary has crept into places where it's not really applicable -- we're not talking about a dribbler on the perimeter here, after all.

Rich Tue Mar 03, 2015 10:50am

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 956761)
What am I to learn? D1 has nothing to do with me. We're looking at a replay. I say I saw a travel. You don't say that I'm wrong, just that this call won't be made. Kinda proves my point.

People that routinely find travels in videos when others don't are likely calling them in real life when the video doesn't clearly support the call.

JRutledge Tue Mar 03, 2015 11:08am

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 956808)
People that routinely find travels in videos when others don't are likely calling them in real life when the video doesn't clearly support the call.

Yep.

Peace

ballgame99 Wed Mar 04, 2015 08:54am

If the report was a push on B1 then I'm guessing that was wrong, because the T has a good angle to see the push on B40 where the L probably doesn't. All 5 defenders are in the paint, so the T has nothing else to be looking at, so come down and get it if you got the angle.

mutantducky Wed Mar 04, 2015 02:51pm

good call

agree Rich. I had this in one of my last games. The player makes a move from the trail's area. As it gets in closer, I see a violation when the ball gets on the players hip and he dribbles after. My partner is annoyed and asks, why did you call that, it was in my area. My response, was I had the angle, and there was no way he could have seen that the ball was wedged for a second on his hip. Don't be ball watching too much, respect the primary, but most importantly get the call right.
(ps- let's not get travel obsessed) why are more people doing that?


We need to stop thinking that the T is not well-positioned to see these kind of things. The L sometimes has the WORST view if the play is up high and with the ball going to the basket, what else is the T going to be looking at?

jpgc99 Wed Mar 04, 2015 06:56pm

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Originally Posted by mutantducky (Post 956902)
good call

agree Rich. I had this in one of my last games. The player makes a move from the trail's area. As it gets in closer, I see a violation when the ball gets on the players hip and he dribbles after. My partner is annoyed and asks, why did you call that, it was in my area. My response, was I had the angle, and there was no way he could have seen that the ball was wedged for a second on his hip. Don't be ball watching too much, respect the primary, but most importantly get the call right.
(ps- let's not get travel obsessed) why are more people doing that?


We need to stop thinking that the T is not well-positioned to see these kind of things. The L sometimes has the WORST view if the play is up high and with the ball going to the basket, what else is the T going to be looking at?


Id like to see video before judging your partner too harshly.


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