Is this a travel? (Video)

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Even if accompanied by "customary arm movement(s)"?

Coming down is not customary arm movement....and I've never seen a player shoot the ball on the way down in a jump stop.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Coming down is not customary arm movement....and I've never seen a player shoot the ball on the way down in a jump stop.

Not even the "over under" move when a shooter sees that his shot may be blocked, and "buttonhooks" the shot around the blocker's outstretched arms, and hands? But, in this "over under" (like a kind of double pump) case, many officials, including me, would not call that continuous motion if the shooter was fouled on the first motion.

So with just shooter's move, alone, described above, without a foul, could a player shoot the ball on the way down? I say, "Yes".

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Not even the "over under" move when a shooter sees that his shot may be blocked, and "buttonhooks" the shot around the blocker's outstretched arms, and hands? But, in this "over under" (like a kind of double pump) case, many officials, including me, would not call that continuous motion if the shooter was fouled on the first motion.

So with just shooter's move, alone, described above, without a foul, could a player shoot the ball on the way down? I say, "Yes".

Different moves, different results.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

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So with just shooter's move, alone, described above, without a foul, could a player shoot the ball on the way down? I say, "Yes".

Per NCAA-Men's, the answer is no. YMMV

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Per NCAA-Men's, the answer is no.

Sorry. I thought the video was from a high school game.

So, under NCAA rules, an airborne shooter, who, at the apex of his jump, decides that his shot will be blocked, and decides to wait a split second and shoot the ball on the way down, before landing, to possibly avoid the blocked shot, is performing an illegal act.

So, Camron Rust's statement, "I've never seen a player shoot the ball on the way down in a jump stop", is not only true (he really has never seen this move), but it's also illegal? What's the NCAA infraction, illegal shot?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Sorry. I thought the video was from a high school game.

So, under NCAA rules, an airborne shooter, who, at the apex of his jump, decides that his shot will be blocked, and decides to wait a split second and shoot the ball on the way down, before landing, to possibly avoid the blocked shot, is performing an illegal act.
So, Camron Rust's statement, "I've never seen a player shoot the ball on the way down in a jump stop", is not only true (he really has never seen this move), but it's also illegal? What's the NCAA infraction, illegal shot?

I don't read anything like that in BNR's post.

It seems as though you're either trying to troll, or being intentionally obtuse,.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I don't read anything like that in BNR's post.

I was actually asking everyone, not just BadNewsRef, about Camron Rust's statement ...

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I've never seen a player shoot the ball on the way down in a jump stop.

... because, even though I don't know a lot about NCAA rules, I still believe that this move would be legal ...

Originally Posted by BillyMac

... an airborne shooter, who, at the apex of his jump, decides that his shot will be blocked, and decides to wait a split second and shoot the ball on the way down, before landing, to possibly avoid the blocked shot ...

Originally Posted by BillyMac

...with just shooter's move, alone, described above, without a foul, could a player shoot the ball on the way down? I say, "Yes".

This is not a situation regarding continuation, since a foul is not involved with my play. I still say "Yes. A player could shoot the ball on the way down to a jump stop", but, again, I don't know a lot about NCAA rules.

Camron Rust states that he's never seen this. I believe him. But it can happen, I've seen it, and I believe that it would be legal.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I was actually asking everyone, not just BadNewsRef, about Camron Rust's statement ...

... because, even though I don't know a lot about NCAA rules, I still believe that this move would be legal ...

This is not a situation regarding continuation, since a foul is not involved with my play. I still say "Yes. A player could shoot the ball on the way down to a jump stop", but, again, I don't know a lot about NCAA rules.

Camron Rust states that he's never seen this. I believe him. But it can happen, I've seen it, and I believe that it would be legal.

The two plays just don't look the same. Double pumping to avoid a potential blocked shot looks completely different. In a jump stop play, the player will pretty obviously not be trying to shoot the ball before going back up vs. the double pump shooter. Plus, most jump shooters will have already exceeded the foot movements that would allow them to jump stop so shooting is really the only option on those plays.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

It seems as though you're either trying to troll, or being intentionally obtuse,.

And you aren't following the thread.

I have been responding to this statement:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I've never seen a player shoot the ball on the way down in a jump stop.

I believe Camron Rust when he states that he has never observed this, but I have. Why would he lie?

I would like Camron Rust to consider the possibility that this play (shoot the ball on the way down in a jump stop) could actually happen, and then deal with the ramifications of that happening, which would include, in my opinion, no continuation in the play if the shooter had been fouled on the first shooting move upward, not the second shooting motion, on the "over under" move when a shooter sees that his shot may be blocked, and "buttonhooks" the shot around the blocker's outstretched arms, and hands (a kind of double pump).

That's all. Nothing obtuse about that.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I believe Camron Rust when he states that he has never observed this, but I have. Why would he lie?

You haven't seen it.

If a player shoots the ball on the way down, then it's not a jump stop.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Sorry. I thought the video was from a high school game.

So, under NCAA rules, an airborne shooter, who, at the apex of his jump, decides that his shot will be blocked, and decides to wait a split second and shoot the ball on the way down, before landing, to possibly avoid the blocked shot, is performing an illegal act.

So, Camron Rust's statement, "I've never seen a player shoot the ball on the way down in a jump stop", is not only true (he really has never seen this move), but it's also illegal? What's the NCAA infraction, illegal shot?

That player has already raised the ball as part of the shooting motion.

In NCAA-Men's a player who has gathered, but not yet performed an upward motion as part of the habitual shooting motion, will not get credited with a shooting foul.