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Adam Sat Feb 28, 2015 05:04pm
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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 956490)
I find it disturbing when a "veteran" coach doesn't know a fundamental rule. A few years ago a GV coach who had been around a long time (she's since retired) assured me that on a throw-in the thrower could not jump up and return to the floor. I offered to bet her double or nothing on the game fee.
Watching the game before mine this year, and the visitors' varsity coach was sitting behind the bench commenting on the game. V had the ball in the FC and threw it into the BC, V1 followed the ball and waited (I really don't know why they do this) until the H player got close before touching it and getting the BC call. The officials started to put the ball in play at the spot of the violation (where it was touched) and the V coach kept chirping from behind the bench that it should be at half court.

just another ref Sat Feb 28, 2015 05:10pm
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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 956491)
Watching the game before mine this year, and the visitors' varsity coach was sitting behind the bench commenting on the game. V had the ball in the FC and threw it into the BC, V1 followed the ball and waited (I really don't know why they do this) until the H player got close before touching it and getting the BC call. The officials started to put the ball in play at the spot of the violation (where it was touched) and the V coach kept chirping from behind the bench that it should be at half court.

A lot of officials would back him up on that one.

Adam Sat Feb 28, 2015 05:12pm
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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 956492)
A lot of officials would back him up on that one.
The guys on that game did. :(

We talked to them at half time.

BillyMac Sat Feb 28, 2015 06:34pm
Just Who's Teaching This Anyway ???
 
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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 956491)
V had the ball in the FC and threw it into the BC, V1 followed the ball and waited (I really don't know why they do this) until the H player got close before touching it and getting the BC call.
I know why they do this.

V1 thinks that he can immediately steal the ball as soon a H touches it, thus avoiding the backcourt violation and maintaining control of the ball.

I have never seen this work. In fifty years of basketball as a player, coach, fan , and official, I have never, ever, seen this work.

In a few cases I have seen H just grab the ball, and go in for a layup, with V1 having to foul H.

In most cases V1, after a second, or two, just decides that this maneuver just isn't going to work and touches the ball for the backcourt violation, moving the throwin a bit closer to the basket than if he had just touched it as soon as possible for the violation.

Nothing good ever comes from the maneuver. Never ever.

Adam Sat Feb 28, 2015 06:36pm
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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 956498)
I know why they do this.

V1 thinks that he can immediately steal the ball as soon a H touches it, thus avoiding the backcourt violation and maintaining control of the ball.

I have never seen this work. In fifty years of basketball as a player, coach, fan , and official, I have never, ever, seen this work. In a few cases I have seen H just grab the ball, and go in for a layup, with V1 having to foul H.

In most cases V1, after a second, or two, just decides that this maneuver just isn't going to work and touches the ball for the backcourt violation, moving the throwin a bit closer to the basket than if he had just touched it as soon as possible for the violation.

Nothing good ever comes from the maneuver. Never ever.
This would make sense if he waited til H actually touched it. I've never seen them wait that long. I always see them wait til the defense gets close, then the offense touches it first to prevent the fast break. You'd think if this was the thought process, at least one kid would try it.

just another ref Sat Feb 28, 2015 08:03pm
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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 956499)
This would make sense if he waited til H actually touched it. I've never seen them wait that long. I always see them wait til the defense gets close, then the offense touches it first to prevent the fast break. You'd think if this was the thought process, at least one kid would try it.
And when the defender gets close, they try to screen him away (why?) sometimes picking up a foul at this point.

BillyMac Sun Mar 01, 2015 11:30am
Why ??? Because We Like You ...
 
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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 956504)
And when the defender gets close, they try to screen him away (why?) sometimes picking up a foul at this point.
Good point. I still haven't figured out the screening aspect of this maneuver. With apologies to Winston Churchill, this entire strategy is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma.

Kelvin green Sun Mar 01, 2015 11:25pm
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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 956491)
Watching the game before mine this year, and the visitors' varsity coach was sitting behind the bench commenting on the game. V had the ball in the FC and threw it into the BC, V1 followed the ball and waited (I really don't know why they do this) until the H player got close before touching it and getting the BC call. The officials started to put the ball in play at the spot of the violation (where it was touched) and the V coach kept chirping from behind the bench that it should be at half court.
My response.

You're right coach, there are 30 arenas where that is the rule, but we're not in one of them.

This is a good reason to understand NCAA and NBA rules... The more we understand the other rule sets, the better perspective we might get.


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