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bas2456 Fri Feb 27, 2015 11:07pm
Held Ball Signal Mechanic
 
I had a partner tonight tell me that on a held ball, I should just go up with two thumbs rather than use the stop clock signal, then go two thumbs up.

What is the correct mechanic?

bballref3966 Fri Feb 27, 2015 11:28pm
Exactly as he told you.

bob jenkins Fri Feb 27, 2015 11:29pm
The pictures in the back of the rule book should give you the answer.

Note that picture 3 says "stop clock for held ball" -- so you don't need the separate "stop clock" signal.

Camron Rust Sat Feb 28, 2015 01:19am
He was correct.

AremRed Sat Feb 28, 2015 01:50am
DISCLAIMER: UNPOPULAR/CONTROVERSIAL OPINION INBOUND. THIS OPINION MAY OR MAY NOT BE SUPPORTED BY RULE, BUT FEEL FREE NOT TO POINT THAT OUT.

I like throwing up the stop-clock mechanic before the held ball signal. It's not necessary but it gives officials a second to make sure that another official doesn't have a foul or a timeout. It's like a blarge -- I'd rather avoid any situation where two officials would be giving different signals and then having to sort out which action came first.

Rob1968 Sat Feb 28, 2015 01:55am
OFFICIALS MANUAL 2.4.3 Held Ball
B. Give the signal for a held ball immediately. There is no need to raise a hand for the stop-clock signal.

Rich Sat Feb 28, 2015 02:17am
Quote:
Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 956410)
DISCLAIMER: UNPOPULAR/CONTROVERSIAL OPINION INBOUND. THIS OPINION MAY OR MAY NOT BE SUPPORTED BY RULE, BUT FEEL FREE NOT TO POINT THAT OUT.

I like throwing up the stop-clock mechanic before the held ball signal. It's not necessary but it gives officials a second to make sure that another official doesn't have a foul or a timeout. It's like a blarge -- I'd rather avoid any situation where two officials would be giving different signals and then having to sort out which action came first.
We usually hit the whistle a few times before coming in with a mechanic. No stop clock, but no immediate thumbs, either.

Camron Rust Sat Feb 28, 2015 03:15am
Quote:
Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 956410)
DISCLAIMER: UNPOPULAR/CONTROVERSIAL OPINION INBOUND. THIS OPINION MAY OR MAY NOT BE SUPPORTED BY RULE, BUT FEEL FREE NOT TO POINT THAT OUT.

I like throwing up the stop-clock mechanic before the held ball signal. It's not necessary but it gives officials a second to make sure that another official doesn't have a foul or a timeout. It's like a blarge -- I'd rather avoid any situation where two officials would be giving different signals and then having to sort out which action came first.
That is exactly the reason to give the proper signal first....so you can tell something about what each other has just by looking at each other. Maybe theirs really was after.

JRutledge Sat Feb 28, 2015 07:48am
It is one of the three ways to stop the clock. You do not need another signal to stop the clock for a held ball.

Peace

bob jenkins Sat Feb 28, 2015 08:55am
Quote:
Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 956410)
DISCLAIMER: UNPOPULAR/CONTROVERSIAL OPINION INBOUND. THIS OPINION MAY OR MAY NOT BE SUPPORTED BY RULE, BUT FEEL FREE NOT TO POINT THAT OUT.

I like throwing up the stop-clock mechanic before the held ball signal. It's not necessary but it gives officials a second to make sure that another official doesn't have a foul or a timeout. It's like a blarge -- I'd rather avoid any situation where two officials would be giving different signals and then having to sort out which action came first.
So do you also throw up the "open hand" when you have a foul, just in case your partner has a TO or a traveling violation (or other) at about the same time?

AremRed Sat Feb 28, 2015 11:10am
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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 956431)
So do you also throw up the "open hand" when you have a foul, just in case your partner has a TO or a traveling violation (or other) at about the same time?
Did you read the disclaimer? :D

bob jenkins Sat Feb 28, 2015 11:23am
Quote:
Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 956454)
Did you read the disclaimer? :D
Yes, I did. Thanks for checking.

JRutledge Sat Feb 28, 2015 11:29am
Quote:
Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 956410)
DISCLAIMER: UNPOPULAR/CONTROVERSIAL OPINION INBOUND. THIS OPINION MAY OR MAY NOT BE SUPPORTED BY RULE, BUT FEEL FREE NOT TO POINT THAT OUT.

I like throwing up the stop-clock mechanic before the held ball signal. It's not necessary but it gives officials a second to make sure that another official doesn't have a foul or a timeout. It's like a blarge -- I'd rather avoid any situation where two officials would be giving different signals and then having to sort out which action came first.
You give the proper signal so it is clear what you have for your partner at the very least.

Peace

constable Sat Feb 28, 2015 07:58pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 956410)
DISCLAIMER: UNPOPULAR/CONTROVERSIAL OPINION INBOUND. THIS OPINION MAY OR MAY NOT BE SUPPORTED BY RULE, BUT FEEL FREE NOT TO POINT THAT OUT.

I like throwing up the stop-clock mechanic before the held ball signal. It's not necessary but it gives officials a second to make sure that another official doesn't have a foul or a timeout. It's like a blarge -- I'd rather avoid any situation where two officials would be giving different signals and then having to sort out which action came first.
And what if you throw up the stop clock open palm and your partner has a fist?

If you come in with 2 thumbs up and your partner has a foul and fist, you figure out what came first. It is no different than any other double whistle and is nothing like a blarge.

zm1283 Sun Mar 01, 2015 06:50pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich (Post 956418)
We usually hit the whistle a few times before coming in with a mechanic. No stop clock, but no immediate thumbs, either.
Exactly what I do.


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