History Question

[dabard]

Were free throws ever granted in high school for player or team control fouls?

[Nevadaref]

Yes, buy the DVD of Hoosiers and watch the video of the actual game upon which the movie is based.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by dabard

Were free throws ever granted in high school for player or team control fouls?

There was a time before a 2011-ish NFHS rule change in which team control did not include the throw-in. Thus the "offense" could commit a foul during a throw-in which resulted in bonus free throws for the other team. This is no longer the case.

The concept of team control during a throw-in had already been an NCAA rule for quite some time. That it was not an NFHS rule was an oddity, and thankfully it was changed.

For any history before 1997 when I started, you'll have to consult someone older and wiser.

[so cal lurker]

Back when I played (the 80s) there was no such thing as a team control foul. A foul by an offensive player other than the one with the ball was simply a common foul - so one-and-one could apply. It was also true then that a charge by the shooter after releasing the ball was not considered player control. So it could be a good basket followed by one-and-one at the other end.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

I am not about to climb up into the attic to look up exact dates, but in "The Ancient Days" when I played H.S. basketball in the late 1960's and when I started officiating in 1971 the term "team control foul" was not in the boys'/girls' and men's college rules book (NBCUSC), but was in the women's college rules book (NAGWS). But when the team in control of the ball committed a common foul its opponents received the ball for a throw-in rather than shoot a FT.

Some time in the very late 1970s or early 1980s for NFHS and NCAA Men's and early to mid-1980s for NCAA Womens' the rules changed and if a team in control of the ball committed a common foul excluding a PCF, its opponent would shoot FTs if it was in the bonus.

Then (I do not remember if it was before the turn of the century or after the turn of the century, but I am leaning toward after the turn of the century: see a previous post which referenced 2010) the NFHS and NCAA Men's/Women's Rules added the term "team control foul" (and it included PCFs) and changed the rule back and penalty back to "The Ancient Days".

So ends today's history lesson.

MTD, Sr.

[Jesse James]

Before 1961 or 1962 (not certain which), a player control foul did result in free throw(s) for the offended team.

[Rob1968]

Originally Posted by Jesse James

Before 1961 or 1962 (not certain which), a player control foul did result in free throw(s) for the offended team.

NFHS BASKETBALL HANDBOOK notes a rules change in 1961: ". . . no free throw for a player-control foul . . ."
1964 ". . . definition provided for a player-control foul . . ."
1979 " . . .Player-control foul limited to the player holding or dribbling the ball . . ."
1983 " . . .An airborne shooter is a player who has released the ball on a try and has not returned to the floor; player control extended to include the airborne shooter . . ."
1988 " . . .airborne shooter is in act of shooting . . ."
2005 " . . . no free throws awarded for a team-control foul when offended team is in the bonus . . ."

I find the history of rules changes very interesting, as the game evolves. So often, one change leads to a progression of refinements and further clarifications.