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Triad zebra Mon Feb 16, 2015 09:25pm

WVU/Kansas Traveling (Video)
 
Can someone post clip. 14:47 1st half. WV player gathers ball while one knee is on the floor. He then stands up. Looks like an easy traveling call. Is the College rule different?

ODog Mon Feb 16, 2015 11:18pm

While we are at it, I would say the final play (WVU game-winner with 3 seconds left) is worth some discussion.

Raymond Mon Feb 16, 2015 11:19pm

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Originally Posted by ODog (Post 955194)
While we are at it, I would say the final play (WVU game-winner with 3 seconds left) is worth some discussion.

He traveled. ..but the losing coach won't complain.

Thumper68 Mon Feb 16, 2015 11:35pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 955195)
He traveled. ..but the losing coach won't complain.

I agree on both points.

MechanicGuy Tue Feb 17, 2015 01:01am

I hate that this isn't called. This one was especially egregious.

bob jenkins Tue Feb 17, 2015 09:11am

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Originally Posted by Triad zebra (Post 955190)
Can someone post clip. 14:47 1st half. WV player gathers ball while one knee is on the floor. He then stands up. Looks like an easy traveling call. Is the College rule different?

A.R. 198. Is it traveling when a player:
1. Falls to the playing court while holding the ball without maintaining a
pivot foot; or
2. Falls to the playing court on both knees while holding the ball without
maintaining a pivot foot; or
3. Gains control of the ball while sliding on the playing court and then,
because of momentum, rolls or slides, after which the player passes or
starts a dribble before getting to his feet?
RULING 1 and 2: Yes, when the pivot foot is not maintained
because it is virtually impossible not to move the pivot foot when
falling to the playing floor.
3: No. The player may pass, shoot, start a dribble or call a timeout.
Once the player has the ball and is no longer sliding, he may not
roll over. When flat on his back, the player may sit up without
violating. When the player puts the ball on the floor, then rises
and is the first to touch the ball, it also is traveling. When a
player rises to his feet while holding the ball and moves the
pivot foot
, it is traveling.
When a player falls to one knee while
holding the ball, it is traveling if the pivot foot moves.

Rich Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:08am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 955195)
He traveled. ..but the losing coach won't complain.

And he didn't. He called it a "good move" and said his defense was terrible.

(And there's no doubt the right foot was the pivot and was replanted.)

Camron Rust Tue Feb 17, 2015 11:27am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Triad zebra (Post 955190)
Is the College rule different?

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 955220)
A.R. 198. Is it traveling when a player:
...
3. Gains control of the ball while sliding on the playing court and then,
because of momentum, rolls or slides, after which the player passes or
starts a dribble before getting to his feet?
RULING ...
When a player rises to his feet while holding the ball and moves the pivot foot, it is traveling. When a player falls to one knee while holding the ball, it is traveling if the pivot foot moves.

Which means (to summarize) that the college rule is in fact different. NFHS doesn't allow for either a player to rise or fall even partially regardless of the pivot foot's status while NCAA does allow rising/falling if a pivot foot is maintained.

just another ref Tue Feb 17, 2015 02:38pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 955237)
Which means (to summarize) that the college rule is in fact different. NFHS doesn't allow for either a player to rise or fall even partially regardless of the pivot foot's status while NCAA does allow rising/falling if a pivot foot is maintained.

You ever seen a player fall to the floor and maintain a pivot foot?

Raymond Tue Feb 17, 2015 03:13pm

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 955260)
You ever seen a player fall to the floor and maintain a pivot foot?


I have seen them fall to the floor without having establish a pivot foot in the first place.

just another ref Tue Feb 17, 2015 03:22pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 955262)
I have seen them fall to the floor without having establish a pivot foot in the first place.

So would that be traveling in NCAA?

JeffM Tue Feb 17, 2015 03:42pm

I would consider diving to the floor to get a loose ball be the same as falling to the floor without a pivot foot. So, I don't think falling to the floor without having established a pivot foot is a violation.

Camron Rust Tue Feb 17, 2015 05:03pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 955260)
You ever seen a player fall to the floor and maintain a pivot foot?

Yes.

Camron Rust Tue Feb 17, 2015 05:04pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeffM (Post 955265)
I would consider diving to the floor to get a loose ball be the same as falling to the floor without a pivot foot. So, I don't think falling to the floor without having established a pivot foot is a violation.

Incorrect. To be legal the player has to obtain control of the ball after being on the floor. Having control (holding the ball) and then falling to the floor is always a violation.

JeffM Tue Feb 17, 2015 08:08pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 955273)
Yes.

I suppose I'm not envisioning how someone could be standing on two feet and then fall to the floor without having established a pivot first. I can picture someone gaining possession of the ball mid-air and then landing on the floor without either foot touching the floor.


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