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Old Wed Feb 11, 2015, 01:58pm
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Had this same thing happened last night, we played on. Nobody said a word.

If someone had asked, I would have told them, it looked like it the side to me.


I think you can over analyze and officiate these situations.....Catch the big stuff. But it does make for good entertainment over my lunch hour.
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Old Wed Feb 11, 2015, 03:02pm
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I say it's out. If the ball hits the corner, forget about any spin thereafter, it's still hitting both in bounds and out of bounds simultaneously. Wouldn't that be the same as a ball that touches a piece of the boundary line and in bounds simultaneously?
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Old Wed Feb 11, 2015, 03:38pm
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I'm keeping it in until I have to call it out.
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Old Wed Feb 11, 2015, 03:47pm
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Y'all are mistaken when you say the only way a ball can rebound toward the end line is if it hit the back. The ball is round. Did we forget that?

Go stand directly on the side of the backboard. Throw the ball at the side such that it hits the side of the backboard on the corner nearest out of bounds. Watch it bounce toward the end line ... because the ball is round.
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Old Wed Feb 11, 2015, 04:20pm
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Y'all are mistaken when you say the only way a ball can rebound toward the end line is if it hit the back. The ball is round. Did we forget that?

Go stand directly on the side of the backboard. Throw the ball at the side such that it hits the side of the backboard on the corner nearest out of bounds. Watch it bounce toward the end line ... because the ball is round.
That isn't the OP. In the OP, the player was closer to the end-line. That's when using the angle the ball rebounds comes into play.
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Old Wed Feb 11, 2015, 04:35pm
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That isn't the OP. In the OP, the player was closer to the end-line. That's when using the angle the ball rebounds comes into play.
I get that, but I was making the point that the ball going toward the end line is meaningless. The ball could rebound toward the end line from almost any angle without striking the back of the backboard.

The only "proof" it hit the back, based on angle alone, would be if it went toward the center of the base of the backboard after coming from outside the edge of the backboard.

Better... unless you KNOW it hit the back, it didn't hit the back.
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Old Wed Feb 11, 2015, 04:48pm
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I get that, but I was making the point that the ball going toward the end line is meaningless. The ball could rebound toward the end line from almost any angle without striking the back of the backboard.

The only "proof" it hit the back, based on angle alone, would be if it went toward the center of the base of the backboard after coming from outside the edge of the backboard.

Better... unless you KNOW it hit the back, it didn't hit the back.
If the player (well, the ball when the ball is released) is not behind (where behind means closer to the end line than) the backboard, then it's impossible to hit the backboard. So, nothing about contacting the backboard / angle matters.

If the ball is behind the backboard, then the angle is used to determine where the ball hit.

Benefit of the doubt to "the ball is NOT behind the backboard when released".
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Old Wed Feb 11, 2015, 06:07pm
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I get that, but I was making the point that the ball going toward the end line is meaningless. The ball could rebound toward the end line from almost any angle without striking the back of the backboard.

The only "proof" it hit the back, based on angle alone, would be if it went toward the center of the base of the backboard after coming from outside the edge of the backboard.

Better... unless you KNOW it hit the back, it didn't hit the back.
Actually, basic physics says it can't. The only surface of the backboard that can cause the ball to change direction towards the endline when it wasn't already heading towards the endline is the rear surface.
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Old Wed Feb 11, 2015, 03:55pm
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Think of the ball as a globe. The equator has to hit squarely on the side of the board for it to bounce straight back. As you get further from the center, the angle of the rebound will increase. If the Arctic circle is where the contact occurs, the angle can be quite dramatic. So does this contact on the side cause the ball to wrap around and simultaneously/immediately afterward contact the back? When in doubt (which will be almost all the time in this case) I will assume it did not.
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