Is this a walk? (Video)
 

Here is a link to a video of a walk call.

Per my understanding of the rules you can pick your pivot foot up during a shot or a pass as long as it does not come back down to floor before the ball is released.

This ref has called this on multiple occasions.

Thanks for the info.

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This appears legal to me. The only thing approaching a travel there is the potentially drug pivot foot on the stop.

The travel is for dragging his (left) pivot foot prior to the up-and-under move.

His left foot starts on the free thrown lane line, and ends up more than a few inches inside the lane.

I see what you mean, but don't agree that is what he was calling. He's called a walk before on a post move where the pivot foot was established. I agree the pivot foot moved. But it the pivot foot did not slide you agree that it would then be a legal move after that?

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Peace

Thank you...

I do not see a travel. I think the official anticipated that the left foot (pivot) came back to the floor. I had to watch a few times to make sure that is not what I saw as well. A slow-motion might have helped to confirm, but I digress.

Peace

didn't see a travel or a drag.

I see two plausible things the R might have called:

• The herky-jerky movement in the up-and-under may have caused the R to believe that the pivot foot came down -- for better or worse, when things look funny, bad calls can come out to play. (Though it also seems that the herky-jerky may have been caused by the defender bumping him.)
• As others have said, he may have believed the pivot foot moved too much before the up-and-under.

But I'd also note that you say the ref called on multiple occaions. When I coach, I always tell my players that you have to adapt -- whether it is a good call or not, if that is at travel today, players need to adjust to what the officials are calling. (That is not a defense of bad calls, but the reality of play and how smart players adjust to their enviornment rather than continuing to do what the officials have made clear was going to be called against them.)

He slides after he ends his dribble. I would call this travel 100 out of a 100 times.

I don't see a slide. I mean no one can actually stop on a dime.

If he can't stop, he's not ready for this move.

Some call a travel when the pivot goes up, just like some send the players behind half court for technical foul free throws.

Those 2 sentences are making the opposite points. On one hand you say there is no slide. On the other hand, you say no can stop without sliding.

I'm saying the slide that you see is so miniscule if there, I think it's splitting hairs.

I see a legal move but possible there was a drag. But that being said, I would encourage refs to familiarize themselves when some of these post moves when the player is jumping off the non-pivot foot. These can easily be called travels. 110 mark


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I wouldn't have a call on this play.

Based on when the official's hand is raised, I don't think the travel call was based on the initial stop.

Perhaps the official thought the pivot foot came down before the ball was released.

People will probably disagree with me, but I think we're all focusing on the wrong foot as the pivot foot here. Watch carefully when the player ends the dribble (gathers). At that moment, the right foot is flat on the ground and the left foot is either in the air or the left toe is barely touching. Assuming the C/new T thought the left foot was airborne, if he judges the right foot to be the pivot then it's an easy travel call.

That said, I don't like the official's mechanics. For one thing he appears lackadaisical. On another note, with the L rotating while a play is going on right in front of him, he shouldn't be in a hurry to move up and away from that play. Nothing wrong with two Cs at times.

The game is always going toward the basket because the last time I checked, that's where you score. Yet many of us, especially during a 3-man rotation, are eager to move away from what we're officiating. Yeah, we're gonna get beat in transition once in a while. So what? I'd rather be in the right position 95% of the time if it means getting beat the other 5%.

BNR nailed it. He moved the pivot several inches before the move to the basket.

I saw that too and it may be right. But I don't have an issue with his movement or his position. I don't think you can tell by one play. Always about the whole picture.

I see the drag early in the move, but the official's arm isn't raised until well after that.

Sometimes it takes a second or two to digest what you have seen. The whole clip is only 3 seconds, so I find this lag? on the whistle acceptable.

it is also possible, that since the left foot dragged, the official deemed the right foot as the pivot foot and called the violation when the right foot was replanted

My mentor would often say that officials that see the pivot foot slide an inch are the same officials who miss more important action in a game. Top officials are busy refereeing the defense and don't see that pivot foot slide.

Sounds like a guy trying to rationalize why he missed some traveling calls. And I see a left foot sliding more than an inch.

Even better officials can see both.

That said, I don't consider a slide of 1" of a flat foot to be moving the pivot even if I see it....practically the entire shoe is covering entirely the same spot....even more than would be covered by the shoe after a typical pivot.

Jake is a beast!
 

Great move by Jake. No travel. However, KyBoy, since you see this official so often, ask him what he sees. Demonstrate the move, and ask for a ruling. If you do it legally, he'll probably say so, and tell you make sure not to drag your pivot foot, or let it come down before shooting.

I think there was a travel on this play (sliding the pivot foot), but I don't think that the official was calling that the travel. His reaction was way too delayed for that to be the case. I think he was calling the step through as the travel.

So, he got it wrong twice on the same play.

I don't have a travel here. I had to watch it three or four times. If that's the case it's usually not a big enough booger to pick.

The player establishes the left foot as pivot, then when his right foot comes down, it looks like the left foot may slightly leave the floor before coming back down. I'm almost certainly not going to catch that in real time, and even if I do, it's a marginal call.

If we do not determine that the pivot foot had left the floor and come back up at that time, there is no travel since the ball was released on a try before the pivot foot touched the floor after he lunged toward the basket with his right foot.

I would not have called a travel on this play. The player did not travel when he stopped his dribble nor did he travel when he executed his "up and under" move.

I really wish officials would stop "splitting hairs" when calling travel violations. If you have to turn the video of a traveling call into the "Zapruder Film" to explain or see a travel....then it shouldn't have been called!

It should simply be: it's either 100% /obvious travel...or it's NOTHING!...NOT: it looked funny/I THINK he travelled, so I'm going to call it.

totally agree. I've seen too many jump-stops, pivots, or just quick first steps be called travels. The last one in particular I get annoyed with. Takes away a good move by a player because a ref doesn't expect it to be so fast.

It just may be that some people are more capable of seeing it than others and it really isn't close to them. For those, should they ignore an obvious infraction that some others are just not capable of seeing? How far to we go with that? Do we just not call travels unless they move the foot at least 10'?

Just because you can't reliably tell when it is a travel doesn't change what it was.