Northern Iowa at Illinois State (Video)
 

Very last play of the game. Contact and no foul.

Peace

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These guys clearly haven't heard of the "bodies on the floor need a whistle" rule. :D

But seriously, call something. Looks like a charge to me, but another view might show something else.

I have a PC that occurs with about half a second on the clock. If that was called, Northern Iowa still would have won more than likely, after a throw-in and possibly a T on the Illinois State coach.

Really hard to see the secondary defender in this video. First view in real time I thought it was an okay no call because I thought the defender jumped straight into the air and remained within his vertical plane and we are sort of straightlined to judge how much contact there was.

On subsequent looks, he may not have actually jumped but was attempting to draw a charge instead. It looked like the defender was legal, but I really can't tell from the video angle.

Whether he jumped vertically (within his plane) or stayed on the floor is irrelevant to drawing a charge.

I have a PC foul on the play.

Defender appeared legal. Possible charge but hard to see how much contact there really was from that angle. Shooter went up awkwardly and went to the floor mostly because of that. Defender may have embellished. Would have liked a different angle.

1. Secondary defender should be handled by the Lead.
2. The C gets blocked out by another defender.

In my opinion the secondary defender did a great job and legally got to the spot. The Lead should have whistled a PC. He was fortunate that the shot was not successful.

great no-call. I love it!
I hate the whole call a foul because there was a collision. That's just good D here.

That is a lot of contact to not call something. I agree that I am not a fan of just making any call just because there is contact, but this was not one of those situations where you can pass on this and certainly not one John Adams has advocated to no-call.

Peace

when I freeze it at 21 seconds I see the Defender set. I also see the offensive player taking off, from the side so it is different from some other charging calls. To me it is the same time which is why I like the no-call. I thought the D made a good play. As did the offensive player who was taking it into the lane(perhaps he should have faded away though!). Why should I penalize either when it is so close as is the case here?

Well, if someone plays good defense and gets run over or displaced, there is also the option of calling a foul on the offense. ;)

actually when I break it down more I think a block call could have been right. My first choice remains the no-call. Second block.
I ran it at full speed then the slo-mo. The offensive player is going for the shot before the defender is set. The space between them is hard to determine but I'd have no problem with the blocking call here.
freeze it at 12, then play, freeze, repeat 2 times at 13 seconds. Offensive player at one point is almost parallel to the floor.
then slo-mo at 20 and 21.

It is a very difficult play to call.

C'mon...does no one else see the humor here... :D

What is the significance of A1 almost being parallel to the floor? Are you saying he got bumped from behind?

nah just that he contorted his body/took off from an unusual place.

What does this mean? You only need to determine whether the defender had a legal position prior to the offensive player being airborne...both feet off the floor. The defender doesn't have to be legal before the offensive player is going for the shot as this occurs well before the offensive player is airborne.

Huh?

Peace

The more I read, the dumber I get.

Why do you guys even bother with him?

haha :)

you'd have to pause it at 21 seconds, 1.4 left to see what I meant by his body being parallel. I thought it was just unusual seeing his body almost sideways like that, not relevant to the foul though.


Well zm1283. Why don't you say what you think of the play.
I thought the no-call was correct and a fantastic job by the refs to hold the whistle.

You brought up A1 being parallel in conjunction with changing your mind on the play, and deeming it a block. So most intelligent people are going to infer that observation as having significance to your ruling. If it is not relevant, then don't throw the comment in their randomly.

I can see why the UNI coach would be upset - that's a Player Control foul.

I can also see why the Il St. coach would be upset - that's an absolutely terrible decision by his PG to take that kind of contested shot. I'm sure they teach players to use a jump stop in practice!

I have a PC foul. I thought the same thing when I watched it on TV.

Why would he be upset? The ball didn't go in.

AremRed, unfortunately you missed the vast amount of sarcasm that was used in that statement.

IMHO, the reason why there was no whistle on the play was that the Player Control Foul (which was pretty obvious to see) occurred so close to the expiration of time that there was no reason to have a whistle as the horn sounded prior to the official making the call. Take that same play and have it occur w/ more time on the clock, and you'll have Lead call a PC foul.

What happens when the shot goes in? Is going to then wipe it off and go PC?