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The_Rookie Sat Jan 24, 2015 05:02pm

TCU & West Virg. (Video)
 
Last 27 seconds of OT In TCU & West Virginia..ESPN U

1) Double whistle..Travel vs Foul

2) End of game Foul by TCU (.5 seconds or so)

Couple of things worthy of chatting about...

1) The calls themselves

2) Crew Communication

Looks like TCU coach had to be restrained by Asst. as he was heading toward the officials at the end of the game...

Thanks!

mutantducky Sat Jan 24, 2015 05:22pm

TCU fans are...hopping mad ;)


I was just looking at some TCU comments on a site and yeah some questionable calls but they made TOs near the end and shot poorly at the FT line.

APG Sun Jan 25, 2015 11:31am

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Rookie (Post 951962)
Last 27 seconds of OT In TCU & West Virginia..ESPN U

1) Double whistle..Travel vs Foul

2) End of game Foul by TCU (.5 seconds or so)

Couple of things worthy of chatting about...

1) The calls themselves

2) Crew Communication

1.

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2.

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AremRed Sun Jan 25, 2015 11:55am

Play 1: Travel

Play 2: Foul with .9 on clock.

Camron Rust Sun Jan 25, 2015 01:34pm

1. I don't see a travel. His left foot was the pivot and he pivoted several times but I don't see that it ever came up before he released the dribble. Even if it did, I think the foul happened first.

2. Good call.

Adam Sun Jan 25, 2015 01:45pm

1. Tough call. I see the travel because I see his pivot come up before he releases the dribble. However, I think he also gets fouled before the dribble is released.

2. Good call.

bballref3966 Sun Jan 25, 2015 01:49pm

The TCU coach chased after one of the officials after time expired. I would like to see him be fined for that.

JRutledge Sun Jan 25, 2015 01:58pm

1. I have a travel.

2. I have a foul on the shot.

Peace

crosscountry55 Sun Jan 25, 2015 05:57pm

1. Travel. I suppose this is what they went with given that the next clip started with the end of a WVU possession a few seconds later? If so, that was the right decision, mainly because the T was far-reaching (not sure why) into an area that the C was staying very well connected to.

2. Foul with 0.9. Excellent call. Reviewing this at the monitor, does the crew go with the moment of contact or the moment the official signals? I assume the contact but I'm not exactly sure how this works.
-----NOTE: If this were an NFHS game, unless an official has definite knowledge by seeing a few ticks fall off after the whistle, these free throws would be shot with the lane cleared. Oh the drama!

La Rikardo Sun Jan 25, 2015 07:43pm

1. I have a traveling violation on Purple #34, but the movement of the pivot foot is pretty slight. Borderline call.

2. I have a personal foul for illegal use of hands committed by Purple #5 on White #2 in the act of shooting. According to replay, the foul occurred with 0.9 seconds left on the clock.

Raymond Sun Jan 25, 2015 09:57pm

1) Travel is definite, still don't see a foul. Plus Trail is straight-lined, don't see how he has a whistle.

2) Foul, but the Lead is extremely lackadaisical in his mechanics. His urgency needs to be at the same level as the game.

JRutledge Sun Jan 25, 2015 10:51pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 952144)
2) Foul, but the Lead is extremely lackadaisical in his mechanics. His urgency needs to be at the same level as the game.

That is a big call, you have to act like you saw it to everyone in the gym. He does not even close down on the players.

Peace

Camron Rust Sun Jan 25, 2015 11:48pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 952144)
1) Travel is definite, still don't see a foul. Plus Trail is straight-lined, don't see how he has a whistle.

2) Foul, but the Lead is extremely lackadaisical in his mechanics. His urgency needs to be at the same level as the game.

Funny how I am more often than not on the side of it being a travel when you and i disagree.

I did see a point where the foot may have come up but I couldn't be certain that the entire foot lifted so I didn't have the travel.

Raymond Sun Jan 25, 2015 11:55pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 952163)
Funny how I am more often than not on the side of it being a travel when you and i disagree.

I did see a point where the foot may have come up but I couldn't be certain that the entire foot lifted so I didn't have the travel.

I actually have him traveling twice. Right after he catches the ball he slides his left foot, which is then used as his pivot foot; when he makes the 180 spin trying to get out of trouble, both feet come off the ground.

But even taking that out of the equation, I do not see how the Trail can see through the 2 bodies in front of him, and then also through the back of the defender who is guarding A1.

ballgame99 Mon Jan 26, 2015 08:53am

Man, what a sequence. I think that travel call is a great call. And the foul on the elbow looks pretty clear at .9 seconds.

Rich Mon Jan 26, 2015 09:39am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 952166)
I actually have him traveling twice. Right after he catches the ball he slides his left foot, which is then used as his pivot foot; when he makes the 180 spin trying to get out of trouble, both feet come off the ground.

But even taking that out of the equation, I do not see how the Trail can see through the 2 bodies in front of him, and then also through the back of the defender who is guarding A1.

Yup, the first travel happens a bit before the second one happened (and got called).

Look at the sequence here (which I think was officiated well) and the end of Northern Iowa / Illinois State on which a block/charge that needed a whistle had none as the clock expired. Two videos I'm going to use at an association meeting on Wednesday night...one great end-of-game and one...not so great.

Pantherdreams Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:55am

1. Three borderline travels in a row. Each on their own I might pass on or miss but in this series you've got get 1 of them.
A) Player catches and lands right left. CHanges Pivot foot to left.
B) On spin move foot pivot foot moves to an entirely new spot.
C) Ball is not out of hand before back foot it lifted.

2. Hard from camera angles but appears to be foul. Would like a better angle for me and a better angle from official.

Nevadaref Mon Jan 26, 2015 05:08pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 952066)
1. I don't see a travel. His left foot was the pivot and he pivoted several times but I don't see that it ever came up before he released the dribble. Even if it did, I think the foul happened first.

2. Good call.

I find myself agreeing with Camron a lot recently.

Nevadaref Mon Jan 26, 2015 05:13pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by crosscountry55 (Post 952113)
1. Travel. I suppose this is what they went with given that the next clip started with the end of a WVU possession a few seconds later? If so, that was the right decision, mainly because the T was far-reaching (not sure why) into an area that the C was staying very well connected to.

2. Foul with 0.9. Excellent call. Reviewing this at the monitor, does the crew go with the moment of contact or the moment the official signals? I assume the contact but I'm not exactly sure how this works.
-----NOTE: If this were an NFHS game, unless an official has definite knowledge by seeing a few ticks fall off after the whistle, these free throws would be shot with the lane cleared. Oh the drama!

In NCAA games with a monitor, the time at which the contact occurs is used. For NFHS you are correct.

walt Mon Jan 26, 2015 05:18pm

Foul with .9 left. Would have liked to see the lead hit it a little harder than that though.

Referee24.7 Tue Jan 27, 2015 12:07am

Man, they had some plays/situations in this game where both coaches were on the floor to have some serious conversations with officials. . .

But to the plays. . .

1) Travel - good call - and the player knew it.

2) Foul call at 0.9 - solid, but his presentation was way too casual where it just seemed like he was going through the motions. What didn't help that situation was where the trail turns around immediately as if he's expecting TCU's coach to go berserk on what was an obvious play. . .

Meanwhile, back to the coaches for a second. . .

Before they went to OT, there was an end of game situation where Huggins' bipolar episode gene flared up again and he was like 8 feet on the floor, unleashing a 1-2 minute tirade on the stripes and they did nothing. . .not even a warning.

Move over to Johnson at TCU and how in the world does the center not assess a T to TCU's coach for walking to midcourt while the ball is live on the floor? That was just ridiculous. . .

I understand emotions and all that but in my opinion, that was insane. While the ball is in the air before a player even touches he's like 10-15 feet on the floor already. . .

Just my barely $.02 cents worth


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