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I think a suspension is merited, not firing, unless it has happened before and he has already been disciplined for it before. I am pretty sure Hess just didn't single the guy out and say what he said for no reason. The guy was probably acting like an ******* the entire game. Was it professional behavior on Hess's part, of course not, but if the criteria is that we have to be completely professional 100% of the time, than there wouldn't be anybody left to officiate the games. Which brings me to another point, what kind of douche bag insults another person all game long and then cries on social media when the person responds? |
If I said that at the lower level college or HS level, I would be fired and likely suspended for my license. That is not a PC world, that is a good world where you should not be able to say those things and it be OK. If I did so at my job I would deal with the right people hearing or knowing, I would be suspended and probably would lose some other licenses or deal with a real complaint if I said such a thing or made such a reference.
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Hess is from Virginia, so I know a lot of officials who know him personally, on and off the court. So far it has been unanimous that Hess does not socially interact on the same wave length as the general populous. He is known for making statements that only he finds funny, that most others find offensive or inappropriate. So I am guessing this is not the first time Hess has said something to somebody (supervisor/official/AD/Coach/school president/fan/ball boy) that was out of line. This may just be the last straw, and a straw that would have been the first and last for many of us. |
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When someone suggest Hess go to jail, we can discuss Orwelle, IMO. |
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That is fine, I am just trying to find out where the line is. To me the modifier attached to my example of dumb mother ****er, be it brown, black, fat, retarded, jewish, Egyptian, etc. would not make me any more or less offended than just being told I was a dumb mother ****er. |
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Fortunately for me, 100% professional is the standard that I choose to uphold. Maybe it's my military background, but to me that's the right way to do business. |
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Not at all what I am advocating. I think people should be called out whenever they say things that are bigoted, hateful, or offensive. I just don't understand why there is so much extra outrage because the slur was racial/ethnic than there would have been if he just called him a dumbass. I don't get the degrees of offensiveness. Either statement would be unprofessional and his behavior should be dealt with. To me, being fired for what he said is too severe of a punishment. |
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And no one said you are not allowed, but no one has to put up with your conduct that will come back to them. If an assignor has a person that says something like this, that assignor will have to answer to what kind of people he/she is hiring. If the conference is hiring someone that is associated with an educational setting and would not allow that in their world, then those institutions would have to answer for why they allow someone to work in their institution based on their normal policies. This is how life works. Peace |
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That is a great standard to strive for, unfortunately just like every other aspect of officiating and life, it is impossible to accomplish. I am sorry, but military background or not, I am sure you are just like every other person on this planet and have had lapses in professionalism at one point or another. |
To respond to Johnny D - whether or not its a racial slur, a profanity, or just a flat-out insult - the fact still remains that if you're videotaped and it shows you having those kinds of interaction (regardless of what you said) to a fan, coach, etc etc - you're on the hook for it and there is nothing you can do to validate your actions. . .
Again, especially for officials of stature such as Hess and Valentine - and we've all been to camps, training, etc etc, where we've been told time and time again not to have those kinds of interactions (or perceived actions) with coaches, players, etc - why should it be any different for those individuals? Now given, do coaches, players, and fans do things at times to where we need to address it? Absolutely. There's just "remedies" we have such as technical fouls, ejections, getting the assistance of site administration (those tools), that are available for us to use, that can handle such situations. . . 99% of the time, its the things that have absolutely nothing to do with actually officiating a basketball game that get us in trouble, and in Hess' case, that's what happened. |
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You make the argument that the fan was somehow just as culpable as Hess because he was being an @$$hole. I disagree. Hess was the leader in this situation. The accountability is his alone. To his credit, Hess accepted responsibility for his actions. He even gave up games in other conferences. Whether he was "highly encouraged" to do this or not doesn't matter to me. The fact is that he did it. I respect that. |
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