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Old Tue Dec 30, 2014, 04:47pm
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Can't say I've seen this one. We've discussed breaking the free-throw line's plane (violation), but I don't recall hearing to ignore any contact.
The intentional foul part was a slide on the IAABO 2014-15 New Rules and Points of Emphasis Power Point right after the free throw line violation slide.

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Old Tue Dec 30, 2014, 08:04pm
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The intentional foul part was a slide on the IAABO 2014-15 New Rules and Points of Emphasis Power Point right after the free throw line violation slide.

I can see the rationale behind the Connecticut rule. The intent seems to be to reduce the penalty for contact on the free thrower. I'm not sure I agree with it, but it's a local decision and when in Rome.... You know several years ago the NCAA opted to go to the point of interruption for most technical fouls instead of automatically giving the offended team a free possession. Likewise, that was a conscious decision to lessen the impact of a penalty. Rules committees are made up of coaches, officials and administrators. If they all agree, I'm ok with it.

On the broader issue of IAABO, I tend to agree that it's an organization in decline. While western high school commissioners and the John Adams regime have focused on the evolution of the game (coach-official interactions, freedom of movement, game management), it seems like IAABO has a static platform that is built around rules, unionization (nepotism?), cabinet government and publishing books. IAABO just hasn't innovated and evolved. I think this is what has caused a lot of fractiousness among east coast boards. I'm not saying IAABO is horrible...it means well and at least some local boards are outstanding. But at the corporate level, I think some soul searching needs to be done.

Interesting observation: I've officiated in six states. Three of them operated under a system where the high school conferences hired a single commissioner/assigner and that person had maybe one or two assistants tops. Those are the states where I've felt the quality of basketball was the best and the assigning and evaluation process was the most fair and transparent. In two states I worked under boards with lots of officers, and I felt the quality of basketball was less and the assigning process was based more on one's totem pole position than raw ability. The final state was sort of a mix (small board, and lots of autonomy given to the assigner). The results were likewise a mix. The thesis to all of this: centralized control is good and boards are not very helpful. This is probably why IAABO struggles to evolve and stay relevant.
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Old Wed Dec 31, 2014, 07:21am
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I can see the rationale behind the Connecticut rule.
I don't. The only way that I could rationalize this IAABO Connecticut rule would be if the wording was changed from, "if there is contact on the free throw shooter by the defender who breaks the free throw line plane, ignore contact unless intentional" to "if there is illegal contact on the free throw shooter by a defender who breaks the free throw line plane, such illegal contact must be charged as an intentional personal foul".

Otherwise, I don't get it? Why ignore a common foul during a live ball?
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Old Wed Dec 31, 2014, 12:00pm
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I don't. The only way that I could rationalize this IAABO Connecticut rule would be if the wording was changed from, "if there is contact on the free throw shooter by the defender who breaks the free throw line plane, ignore contact unless intentional" to "if there is illegal contact on the free throw shooter by a defender who breaks the free throw line plane, such illegal contact must be charged as an intentional personal foul".

Otherwise, I don't get it? Why ignore a common foul during a live ball?
Between you and me, we agree. It's a stretch just for the sake of lessening a penalty. But I hope at least a committee made up of more than just officials came up with this. If it was an arbitrary IAABO declaration and CIAC wasn't represented in the decision, then shame on CIAC and they should consider dissolving their relationship with IAABO.
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Old Wed Dec 31, 2014, 04:25pm
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I hope at least a committee made up of more than just officials came up with this.
Is Peter Webb (IAABO Coordinator of Interpreters) considered a committee?
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Old Wed Dec 31, 2014, 04:35pm
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Is Peter Webb (IAABO Coordinator of Interpreters) considered a committee?
No, and if this interpretation is truly what he wrote, I would hope someone would bring it to his attention like they did with that ruling (last year or the year before) where they stated it was a violation for a player to toss a ball up in the air and catch it.
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... it was a violation for a player to toss a ball up in the air and catch it.
That certainly was a doozy.
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