Double Dribble or Not?
 

I had a scenario in my game where my partner called a 'double dribble' and we spoke about it after the game and I am inclined to say that the play was 'good'?

Looking for some commentary....

Scenario: A1 is dribbling up the court on a 'fast break' and the ball momentarily is bounced off of one of his teammates legs - A2 as he's dribbling and rolls forward. A1 then picks up the ball and starts a new dribble. Did the contact w/A2 constitute a 'loss of possession' or simply an interrupted dribble - no player control.

Any assistance is appreciated.

What are the instances that cause a dribble to end?

Rule 14-5-4 Art 4 Letter (d):

Dribble ends when '..the ball touches or is touched by an 'opponent' and causes the dribbler to lose control....'

If that is the case if the ball touching a teammate would not qualify as 'ending' the dribble, then the situation would be considered a 'double-dribble' ?

That's mostly correct. The only thing wrong is that you need to change that last question mark to a period (and buy your partner a beer).

(When the ball acidentally bounces off a teammate, it's the same as an interrupted dribble. If the ball is then controlled in two hands, that ends the dribble.)

Thanks much ! Totally makes sense....

Yes, next time I see my partner, I do owe him a beer !

Thanks and Happy Holidays.

Cheers !

The Rule citation you meant to give is 4-15-4 d.

https://forum.officiating.com/basket...tml#post944100

but you can INTENTIONALLY throw it off your teammate .. catch it .. and dribble without penalty:eek:

who would figure

Why was I thinking an interrupted dribble that touched a teammate ended the dribble?

I'm with you - I thought anytime the ball touches another player , not just an opponent, you can dribble again. This is how we learn...

The distinction is not intentional or not, but whether the initial dibble ended or not . . .

Agreed
 

What makes the above legal is 9-5-3 after a dribble has ended.

9-5 Illegal Dribble ...
 

A player shall not dribble a second time after his/her first dribble has ended,
unless it is after he/she has lost control because of:
ART. 1 A try for field goal.
ART. 2 A touch by an opponent.
ART. 3 A pass or fumble which has then touched, or been touched by,
another player.

"Another player" can be a teammate, or an opponent.

Is dribbling the ball off a teammate's foot a pass, or a fumble?

I think so, but I'm open to constructive criticism.

No violation, also open to constructive criticism.

I think you're misreading this section and the timing matters. During the lost control dribble that touches a teammate, the dribble has not ended per rule it only ends but ends when the errant dribbler picked up the ball. So once the dribbler picked up the ball, she chould only dibble again if she then had a pass or fumble touch a teammate.

Not My Cup Of Tea ...
 

Thanks, but I don't think so, so I'd like to hear from others. No offense.

No, Billy. A dribble deflecting off a teammate is not a pass or fumble.
The OP is a violation.

Yet there are those (not me) who argue that a ball that is touched by teammate is automatcially a pass when considering whether a released ball is a pass or dribble in the context of releasing the ball after the pivot is lifted regardless of how the ball was actually released.

Fumble, Pass, Or Whatever ???
 

4.15.4 SITUATION E: While A1 is dribbling in A’s backcourt, the ball legally
touches B1’s leg, causing it to bounce away from A1. A1 quickly recovers the ball
with two hands and then starts another dribble. RULING: Legal. The touch by B1
ended the original dribble and A1 could then recover and dribble again. However,
the touch by B1 did not end team control and the 10-second backcourt count
continues. (9-5-2)

So if the ball hits A2 (instead of B1), then A1 can't legally start another dribble? It may be true, but I'm not sure that I'm calling it that way.

It's definitely not a fumble:

A fumble is the accidental loss of player control when the ball unintentionally
drops or slips from a player’s grasp.

Could it be a pass?

A pass is movement of the ball caused by a player who throws, bats or rolls the
ball to another player.

That's it. It's a pass. Legal dribble. Play on.

I'm with you, Billy. I see no logical distinction between A2 and B1 here, within the rules, to say one is a violation and the other is not.

Oddly, to me anyway, if A1 were to have ended his dribble and then fumbled into A2's leg, he'd be able to dribble again under the more restrictive interpretation offered here.