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BryanV21 Wed Dec 17, 2014 09:27pm
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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 947233)
... Illegal number. Catholic middle school league. Assigner wants all fashion issues attended to, including illegal numbers. Something looked odd about a player's (not a substitute) jersey. It took me a few seconds, but it finally hit me. Nineteen, that's not legal number. Charge the head coach with a direct technical foul (counts toward team fouls for the half). Opponent (any player, or substitute) gets two free throws, and the ball at the division line. Coach has to sit (with a few exceptions) the rest of the game. Nineteen is allowed to play the rest of the game. Did I do it right?
I don't think so.

I didn't think a player could participate while wearing an illegal uniform. I will admit, though, that I could be confusing this ruling with a player wearing an illegal undershirt/sleeve/etc.

johnny d Wed Dec 17, 2014 11:00pm
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Originally Posted by BryanV21 (Post 947251)
I don't think so.

I didn't think a player could participate while wearing an illegal uniform. I will admit, though, that I could be confusing this ruling with a player wearing an illegal undershirt/sleeve/etc.

Time to do some more studying.

BryanV21 Wed Dec 17, 2014 11:06pm
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Originally Posted by johnny d (Post 947277)
Time to do some more studying.
damn :mad:

BillyMac Wed Dec 17, 2014 11:50pm
Illegal Numbers ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnny d (Post 947277)
Time to do some more studying.
Technical fouls for illegal uniforms (including illegal numbers) are not charged to the team, but are charged directly to the head coach. If a team member participates as a player while wearing an illegal uniform, then a direct technical foul is charged to the head coach, who will lose the coaching box privilege for the remainder of the game. This infraction is penalized when discovered, and the team member with the illegal uniform may participate without further penalty and is not required to change the number. A maximum of one technical foul shall be charged directly to the head coach regardless of the number of offenders.

Note: I found the information above on my hard drive, but I can't find a rulebook, or casebook, citation for the section boldfaced in red. Can anybody find a citation that supports that statement?

Raymond Thu Dec 18, 2014 08:25am
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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 947283)
Technical fouls for illegal uniforms (including illegal numbers) are not charged to the team, but are charged directly to the head coach. If a team member participates as a player while wearing an illegal uniform, then a direct technical foul is charged to the head coach, who will lose the coaching box privilege for the remainder of the game. This infraction is penalized when discovered, and the team member with the illegal uniform may participate without further penalty and is not required to change the number. A maximum of one technical foul shall be charged directly to the head coach regardless of the number of offenders.

Note: I found the information above on my hard drive, but I can't find a rulebook, or casebook, citation for the section boldfaced in red. Can anybody find a citation that supports that statement?
Well, it wouldn't make sense to charge a T and then say the player can't participate. By definition, IMO, the T is what is allowing that player to participate, plus the fact that further discovered infractions are not penalized.

BillyMac Thu Dec 18, 2014 05:52pm
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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 947297)
... the fact that further discovered infractions are not penalized.
I really like this part (above), but isn't there a citation anywhere.

so cal lurker Thu Dec 18, 2014 06:24pm
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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 947398)
I really like this part (above), but isn't there a citation anywhere.
Try reading the penalty section for this infraction . . . "Only one technical fould is charged regardless of the numer of offenders." . . .

BillyMac Thu Dec 18, 2014 06:57pm
Illegal Numbers ...
 
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Originally Posted by so cal lurker (Post 947404)
Try reading the penalty section for this infraction . . . "Only one technical foul is charged regardless of the number of offenders." . . .
I'm pretty sure that I'm right, that they can continue to play in the game, but not because of this (above) citation. All this says is that there's only one technical foul charged, it doesn't say that they (illegal numbers) can play in the game.

It probably comes down to illegal equipment (undershirts, jewelry, etc.: they can never play (plus no technical foul charged); and illegal uniforms (illegal numbers): they can play after the technical foul penalty.

bob jenkins Fri Dec 19, 2014 09:09am
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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 947408)
I'm pretty sure that I'm right, that they can continue to play in the game, but not because of this (above) citation. All this says is that there's only one technical foul charged, it doesn't say that they (illegal numbers) can play in the game.

It probably comes down to illegal equipment (undershirts, jewelry, etc.: they can never play (plus no technical foul charged); and illegal uniforms (illegal numbers): they can play after the technical foul penalty.
See case 3.4.3B (c). If the player never enters the game, there's no T. So, by extension, if there is a T, then the player can enter the game.


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