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Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Fri Dec 12, 2014 09:58pm
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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 946683)
It is normal for a player to land on the toes followed by the heels. The question is how long are they allowed to complete the landing? I think if the player obviously made a conscious effort to stop on just the toes, and stayed there for a noticeable length of time, the landing is over.

The key is not whether the A2 landed on his toes or heels; the key is that A2 landed with both of his feet in Team A's Front Court. Therefore A2 committed a Backcourt Violation.

MTD, Sr.

Coach Bill Sun Dec 14, 2014 01:20am
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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 946674)
Bob:

Per NFHS R9-S9-A3 and NFHS Casebook Play 9.9.1 Situation B(a) the play in the OP is a violation.


R9-S9-A3: During a jump ball, throw-in or while on defense, a player may legally jump from his/her frontcourt, secure control of the ball with both feet off the floor and return to the floor with one or both feet in the backcourt. The player may make a normal landing and it makes no difference whether the first foot down is in the frontcourt or backcourt.


Casebook Play 9.9.1 Situation B: During a jump ball, A1 taps the ball. A2 takes off from Team A's frontcourt and catches the ball while in the air. A2 lands with: (a) both feet in frontcourt and then steps to backcourt with one foot; (b) one foot in backcourt and one in the frontcourt; or (c) both feet in the backcourt.

RULING: Team control is not established until A2 catches the ball. Violation in (a). Legal in (b) and (c). (4-12-6; 9-9-3)


A2's landed with both feet in Team A's Front Court. Per rule, landing with both feet in the Front Court does not meet the exception that the rule describes.

MTD, Sr.
The OP didn't say that A2 was in the air and then landed. You're also assuming that the jump (if there was one) started from the front court.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Sun Dec 14, 2014 01:46am
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Originally Posted by Coach Bill (Post 946776)
The OP didn't say that A2 was in the air and then landed. You're also assuming that the jump (if there was one) started from the front court.

That makes the call even easier: Backcourt Violation.

MTD, Sr.

Coach Bill Sun Dec 14, 2014 02:02am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 946777)
That makes the call even easier: Backcourt Violation.

MTD, Sr.
On an out-of-bounds play, you can't jump from your backcourt, catch the ball in the air and land on midcourt line with both feet?

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Sun Dec 14, 2014 02:10am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach Bill (Post 946776)
The OP didn't say that A2 was in the air and then landed. You're also assuming that the jump (if there was one) started from the front court.

Coach:

My post which your are quoting is in response to Bob Jenkins post which said that it would not be a BC Violation if A2 had caught the ball while in the air, and not to the OP.

MTD, Sr.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Sun Dec 14, 2014 02:12am
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Originally Posted by Coach Bill (Post 946778)
On an out-of-bounds play, you can't jump from your backcourt, catch the ball in the air and land on midcourt line with both feet?

Why can't you land on the Division Line? There is not Mid-Court Line. In the Ancient Days there use to be a Mid-Court Area in the Front Court.

MTD, Sr.

Coach Bill Sun Dec 14, 2014 02:33am
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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 946779)
Coach:

My post which your are quoting is in response to Bob Jenkins post which said that it would not be a BC Violation if A2 had caught the ball while in the air, and not to the OP.

MTD, Sr.
With all due respect, this is what you wrote and what I quoted:

"Per NFHS R9-S9-A3 and NFHS Casebook Play 9.9.1 Situation B(a) the play in the OP is a violation."

The OP doesn't mention a jump or if there was one, where it originated.

bob jenkins Sun Dec 14, 2014 09:32am
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Originally Posted by Coach Bill (Post 946781)
With all due respect, this is what you wrote and what I quoted:

"Per NFHS R9-S9-A3 and NFHS Casebook Play 9.9.1 Situation B(a) the play in the OP is a violation."

The OP doesn't mention a jump or if there was one, where it originated.
If A2 does not jump, it's obviously a violation.

If A2 jumps, then it doesn't matter whether it originates from the FC or the BC.

BillyMac Sun Dec 14, 2014 10:51am
Before The Frontcourt Got Circumcised ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 946780)
In the Ancient Days there use to be a Mid-Court Area in the Front Court.
Misty water-colored memories. Frontcourt divided into a midcourt, and a forecourt. Closely guarded dribbler got a new count as he dribbled forward over the midcourt line, designated by a 28 foot hash mark, that we still see on some very old courts. It was legally possible for a closely guarded ball handler to possess the ball for sixteen seconds; holding, dribbling in the midcourt (dribble past the midcourt line), dribbling in the front court, and holding (four seconds each).

Coach Bill Tue Dec 16, 2014 12:26am
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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 946787)
If A2 does not jump, it's obviously a violation.

If A2 jumps, then it doesn't matter whether it originates from the FC or the BC.
So, just to be clear, if you jump from the backcourt, secure the ball in the air, and land with both feet on the "division line", it's a violation? That doesn't make sense.

just another ref Tue Dec 16, 2014 12:39am
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Originally Posted by Coach Bill (Post 946994)
So, just to be clear, if you jump from the backcourt, secure the ball in the air, and land with both feet on the "division line", it's a violation? That doesn't make sense.
No. On a throw-in pass if the player leaps in the air he can land anywhere without violation. The only question in the OP is how long does a landing take? If he lands on his toes in the frontcourt, then sees the line and teeters there for a significant length of time before putting his heels down on the line would we call a violation? I'm gonna wait until that happens, then decide. But if he catches the pass in the air and lands on his toes first followed by his heels touching the line all in one smooth "natural" landing, I've got nothing.

bob jenkins Tue Dec 16, 2014 08:47am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach Bill (Post 946994)
So, just to be clear, if you jump from the backcourt, secure the ball in the air, and land with both feet on the "division line", it's a violation? That doesn't make sense.
Why is "division line" in quotes? That's the proper term.

And, if it's a throw-in (as the OP), or a pass from the BC, it's not a violation.

If it's a pass from the FC, then it's a violation before the player even lands.


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