Get the first one

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

I think I thought it was more incidental than anything.



The whole thing could've been avoided if I had just called the first foul on B44, and that fact has been bothering me for the last couple of days.

As pointed out above, these two statements are contradictory to each other. If you thought it was incidental contact, right or wrong, that's the way the players must treat it. Whatever did or didn't happen beforehand, it is A40 who is responsible for his own actions, not you.

[Rich]

I wrote an article in 2002 about something I saw on TV that's stuck with me my entire career since then.

2-person crew, end of game situation. Trail decided he was going to demand a good foul instead of giving the damned foul the kid wanted.

Kid goes to the ground, officials calls TRAVELING, there's a technical, then another....

Originally Posted by Rich

I wrote an article in 2002 about something I saw on TV that's stuck with me my entire career since then.

2-person crew, end of game situation. Trail decided he was going to demand a good foul instead of giving the damned foul the kid wanted.

Kid goes to the ground, officials calls TRAVELING, there's a technical, then another....

I assume you are talking about a situation where the defense is trying to take a foul?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I assume you are talking about a situation where the defense is trying to take a foul?

Yup.

Originally Posted by Rich

Yup.

Yup, if they are trying to foul just give it to them.

[jTheUmp]

Originally Posted by just another ref

As pointed out above, these two statements are contradictory to each other. If you thought it was incidental contact, right or wrong, that's the way the players must treat it. Whatever did or didn't happen beforehand, it is A40 who is responsible for his own actions, not you.

Yeah, I'm kinda contradicting myself, but the initial contact should've been a foul. As I remember it, my thought process was "he shoved that guy out of bounds, that's a foul, but it didn't really cause any disadvantage, I'm not gonna call that, uh oh, other guy is coming back mad, this could get ugly, I should've called that shove initially, crap, watch out (shoved player gets the ball), here it comes, FOUL."

Originally Posted by Andy

Question for you....Obviously, you saw the first slight shove and decided to pass on it as incidental contact. Are you now questioning that decision due to the ensuing action by A40? What if the play had gone to the other wing and there was nothing further between the two players? Would you still be questioning your decision to pass on the slight shove?

Yeah, I would still be questioning myself, even if nothing further had happened (see my thought process above... I need to put air in my whistle at the "that's a foul" part of my thinking). I wish I had video so I could review it (unfortunately, video is hard to come by for officials around here).

Doesn't excuse A40's actions, of course... he deserved the PC call he eventually earned. But still... GET THE FIRST ONE.