Illegal Screen? (video)

ballgame99

Would like to hear some opinions on this video.

BigCat

54 white turns in to go to hole and delivers a blow. good call.

Adam

Why hadn't lead rotated over on this one? No reason to have that call made as C.

Good call.

Coach might get stuck for that little antic, depending....

Camron Rust

Adam wrote
Why hadn't lead rotated over on this one? No reason to have that call made as C.

I've heard some suggest that the L doesn't need to come over until the ball gets lower (below the FT line) if there is no post action on that side.

Either way, the right call was made by the right person from approximately the right location regardless of whether they were T or C.

bob jenkins

ballgame99 wrote
Would like to hear some opinions on this video.

it could be brighter, and zoomed in more on the action.

JRutledge

I am not seeing a foul. Now maybe that is because of the angle or the darkness it is hard to distinguish the background from the players on the court, but I do not see a foul here. I see a bigger player running into a wall. Now if the arms extended, I have a foul. But it does not look that way based on the quality of the video.

Peace

jTheUmp

Adam wrote
Why hadn't lead rotated over on this one? No reason to have that call made as C.

Good call.

Coach might get stuck for that little antic, depending....

The L isn't in the shot when the call gets made... it's possible that either the L had rotated but the C hadn't had a chance to recognize that fact and move to T yet (plausible... there's a lot of action happening in C's area when as soon as the ball gets to the frontcourt)
OR
(and I hope this isn't the case) the T was slow getting to the frontcourt from the backcourt, so the L couldn't rotate yet.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

JRutledge wrote
I am not seeing a foul. Now maybe that is because of the angle or the darkness it is hard to distinguish the background from the players on the court, but I do not see a foul here. I see a bigger player running into a wall. Now if the arms extended, I have a foul. But it does not look that way based on the quality of the video.

Peace

Jeff:

I agree. This was a legal screen. It looked bad to the fans and coaches who are not versed in the rules of the game because the defender was small and bounced off the screener like a rubber ball thrown against a brick wall. But I believe the screener was penalized for being much bigger than the screenee.

MTD, Sr.

BryanV21

I saw the screener rotate her shoulder into the defender. It's not as though she stood still and the defender ran into her.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

BryanV21 wrote
I saw the screener rotate her shoulder into the defender. It's not as though she stood still and the defender ran into her.

I know that we have the benefit of slow play in this video, but W-54 did not pivot until after the defender made contact and once bouncing off of her.

This was a tough play but I am inclined to give the Screener the benefit of the doubt in this play.

MTD, Sr.

BillyMac

BryanV21 wrote
I saw the screener rotate her shoulder into the defender. It's not as though she stood still and the defender ran into her.

Agree, but I had to watch the video twice to be sure.

BigCat

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. wrote
I know that we have the benefit of slow play in this video, but W-54 did not pivot until after the defender made contact and once bouncing off of her.

This was a tough play but I am inclined to give the Screener the benefit of the doubt in this play.

MTD, Sr.

Mark, i thought the shoulder rotated in on the first view and i still think it now. not really dealing with the pivot. her top half turns and delivers a blow. just have to agree to disagree on this one.

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bob jenkins wrote
it could be brighter, and zoomed in more on the action.

And posted by the real OP. 🙂

JetMetFan

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. wrote
I know that we have the benefit of slow play in this video, but W-54 did not pivot until after the defender made contact and once bouncing off of her.

This was a tough play but I am inclined to give the Screener the benefit of the doubt in this play.

MTD, Sr.

Agreed. If we're not sure, don't call anything and I'm with JRut and MTDS. The screener didn't create the contact.

just another ref

I have a foul.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

I would like to add one other observation before going back to bed. Notice which foot W-54 is her pivot foot. It is her left foot. Her pivot has her opening or pivoting away from her teammate who is being guarded by the screenee. W-54, during her pivot, has not left her original spot on the court.

I would also like to add that I hope W-54 sent her check to Bill Lambeer for teaching her how to set a pick, 😛.

MTD, Sr.

just another ref

The footwork was not the illegal part. Yes, her right foot went back. But, from where I'm sitting, her left shoulder went forward.

Rich

Camron Rust wrote
I've heard some suggest that the L doesn't need to come over until the ball gets lower (below the FT line) if there is no post action on that side.

Either way, the right call was made by the right person from approximately the right location regardless of whether they were T or C.

There's a halfcourt trap developing. The L should get across so the C can officiate this as the T.

Frankly, it looks bad, but the quality of video is lacking.

Camron Rust

jTheUmp wrote
The L isn't in the shot when the call gets made... it's possible that either the L had rotated but the C hadn't had a chance to recognize that fact and move to T yet (plausible... there's a lot of action happening in C's area when as soon as the ball gets to the frontcourt)
OR
(and I hope this isn't the case) the T was slow getting to the frontcourt from the backcourt, so the L couldn't rotate yet.

You can tell the L hadn't rotated by the where the L eventually enters the frame....from an angle not on the same side as the foul.

Rich

Camron Rust wrote
You can tell the L hadn't rotated by the where the L eventually enters the frame....from an angle not on the same side as the foul.

It just tells me the L isn't actively looking to rotate to get the crew in the best possible configuration. Why work 3-person if you're going to have only one official ballside?