Curious, are you working high school?

Regardless, don't let them ride you. I promise you it won't take as many technical fouls as you think.

Give a quick warning, "coach that's enough."
If/when he continues, whack.
Next game, same thing.

You'll find that most coaches will get it and adjust before you have to issue a 2nd T. Be consistent, be firm. You'll eventually learn to converse with them and defuse situations; but in the mean time, the T works great to help you focus on the game.

When you give a T, listen to your partner's feedback after the game or at half time, learn from it if you can. Some partners will give you stupid feedback: smile and nod, brain dump it later.

As others have noted, there are other ways of dealing with the situation in scrimmages.
1. You can call the T (it's not as big a deterrent in these games, though).
2. You can stop the game, walk over to the HC and calmly explain that he needs to either control or remove his AC if this game is going to continue with your assistance.

In this case, I would have said it loud enough to embarrass the AC, but not yelling. Both benches would have heard it, and my voice carries well enough that most of the gym would have heard it as well.

The T doesn't have the same impact because no one really cares who wins, the coaches are looking for game simulations. Most of these "games" won't even shoot the free throws anyway.

No, you don't take the crap from the bench, ESPECIALLY when you're working for free. But there are more effective ways to deal with it. What you did worked, so I wouldn't sweat it too much.

If your local feedback is that there are other ways to deal with it, I hope they've provided alternative options rather than just saying, "I wouldn't have done that in a scrimmage."

Yes that's exactly how these games were and I should say they were more complex than your average scrimmage. Our association assigned us these scrimmages to mimic regular games, because they were our last scrimmages before the regular season. So our assignors informed the coaches of this and tried to make these scrimmages as close to regular games as possible.

Thank you Adam, and let me just say, my partner was one of those guys you ask to not work with in the future :/

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Our scrimmages are not paid. Mandated to do at least 1 and they are assigned. They are with 2 or maybe 3 schools. No fouls counted. If we shoot FTs at all, it will be 1 shot on a shooting foul. Do not keep score. 4 officials rotating in. 6 quarters.

Whether a team keeps score is more on the coach and what they want out of the scrimmage. But it is not unusual that we shoot every FT and play normally without the fouls being kept.

Peace

Currently listening to the online state clinic. They have specific regulations for scrimmages.

Per state rules, officials are forbidden from being paid to work scrimmages or jamborees (3 or more teams); we may only receive a minimal travel fee. Each school is allowed participate in a max of 2 scrimmages/jamborees.

We are not under those regulations here. I worked Friday at a scrimmage near my house and was paid in cash on the spot. But again this is what makes this place very interesting is to hear how things are done very differently.

Peace

All I need to know in this story is the AC....had this happen in a BV jamboree two weeks ago minus the sunglasses. Like most on here I HATE having to give T's during jamboree type games but I didn't want to set a precedence of what I would accept later in the year. Sure enough, I get that team's home opener and the AC was a complete gentleman (even though they lost a close game). Either way, I have a very short leash with ACs...

In my association, if we want to get assignments, we must work scrimmages. If we want to work post season, we must accumulate a certain number of points and we can get points for working scrimmages (2 max points). Most of us work an average of 3 scrimmages - I worked 4 this season. We don't get paid - the school pays the association what they would typically pay us. The format is typically 2 to 4 schools participate and they have us (usually 5-6 people are assigned to a court) for up to 3 hours. They can do whatever they want during that time: play a full game, just quarters, game situations...whatever they choose. It's a way for everyone to get ready for the season. People gripe about it, but it's really not that big of a deal.

Coaches are almost always well behaved - they worry about their players and they rarely worry about the officiating. Sometimes when a rookie makes mistakes or someone clearly is in over their heads, they get a little frustrated, but I've never seen anyone get really upset during a scrimmage.

Up to 3 hrs. each time and you have to do a minimum of 2 of them. Of course people gripe about it, most people's time is worth something. 6+ hrs. of free officiating is absolutely ridiculous. Even for people who place little to no value on their time, giving up family/personal time is a cost as well. If the schools cannot afford to pay officials to have a scrimmage, than they don't need to play any scrimmages or they can have their coaches officiate. We have lots of ways available to us to prepare for the season, working for free is not one of them!

I understand what you're saying. We have very little bargaining power, though. If we want to be assigned (decent) games, we better work our scrimmages. And if we want to work the playoffs, we better work the scrimmages. Here in Texas, districts/schools and coaches have way more power than they should. It's a massive conflict of interest, but it's the way it is. The association is just as focused on pleasing the schools and coaches as it is in pleasing the officials, because the districts can choose which associations they use. And coaches can choose which officials they want (or don't want) when it comes to district play and playoffs.

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How is this about the power of the schools if, as you said in your prior post, the schools are paying the game fee to the assoication rather than you? :confused: Sounds like this is, more or less, association dues, not something the schools are dictating.

It's hard to be 16 and trying to officiate HS games. Many adults have trouble respecting someone of that age and having the teenager in the role of the authority figure.

My opinion is that people still in HS should only work summerball or recreational leagues because of these aspects as well as the problem with being an independent contractor at that age.

In my years of officiating, I've had to T coaches for throwing the following items: clipboard, water bottle, towel, pen, jacket, and the game ball.

Please explain how an independent contractor can be "required" to work anything, especially for free. :eek: