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CT32 Wed Nov 05, 2014 09:06am

Quarreling between coaches and officials
 
Which steps could be taken to control the tensions i.e. different opinions between coaches and officials?
We are referring to a professional basketball league. Some coaches believe that referees aren't worthy of their respect, because of the referee’s limited knowledge of officiating. Referees on the other hand, believe they are the most important aspect of basketball.
In one occasion a referee answered this question during the meeting, and explained that he had worked hard and called more than hundred technical fouls in one year. He believed his actions were justified by the profanity and rudeness the coaches displayed toward him. And yes, according the officiating system of FIBA supported the referee’s actions.
Do we need to be more tolerant when it comes to keeping basketball activities disciplined? Are we putting the needs of the officials above those of coaches, or vice versa? Is there anybody who can give us some suggestions? Thanks!

Adam Wed Nov 05, 2014 09:09am

My perspective?
Coaches should be coaching and not quarreling. When asking questions turns into having arguments and being disrespectful to the officials, technical fouls should follow. If the league supports the officials, the coaches will learn and behavior will change. It's almost like magic the way it works.

It's not about the officials' egos, it's about keeping the game orderly. If you've got one official giving out that many technical fouls in a year and being backed by FIBA, the rest of the officials aren't doing it right.

Raymond Wed Nov 05, 2014 09:29am

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Originally Posted by CT32 (Post 943009)
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Do we need to be more tolerant when it comes to keeping basketball activities disciplined? Are we putting the needs of the officials above those of coaches, or vice versa? Is there anybody who can give us some suggestions? Thanks!

Based strictly on your description of the situation, it seems the coaches lack a basic understanding of professional behavior at the work place. I am sure the officials' "limited knowledge of officiating" is equally offset by the coaches' "limited knowledge of coaching".

It always amazes me that coaches assume they are more proficient at their job then officials are at their job.

JRutledge Wed Nov 05, 2014 09:49am

I think we have to officiate within the standards of the system we work under.

But I really do not understand the overall point or question in this thread. Not sure what the official is doing wrong if the people he/she works for supports their decisions. If the league/level or rules do not support the official's decisions, then he will not be there very long.

Peace

Kansas Ref Wed Nov 05, 2014 10:29am

There is a natural ''antagonism" between coaches and refs. Someone on this site once said "everytime I blow my whistle one coach will be happy and the opposing coach will be mad". Wish I could find out who said that to give them proper credit for that quote.

Coaches may appear cordial and polite during pre-game, but this is only a facade. In their mind You are their loosely viewed as an additional ''opponent" against their team. We, our officiating committees, and other stakeholders can come up with all types of programs and such to alleviate this antagonism; however, as long as there are winners and losers the officials will be subjected to either derision or impoliteness by coaches.

Hey your mother never told you that reffing would be easy right? I ''whack'' them, you should start getting more confident in yourself to 'whack'' the coaches. I had one coach tell me once after I whacked him, "me and you can handle this after the game in the parking lot". Yes, he said that in full earshot of everyone, I then told him "we can do that, I waiting for you after my second game". Game ended and he was nowhere to be found.

jeremy341a Wed Nov 05, 2014 11:20am

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Originally Posted by Kansas Ref (Post 943020)
There is a natural ''antagonism" between coaches and refs. Someone on this site once said "everytime I blow my whistle one coach will be happy and the opposing coach will be mad". Wish I could find out who said that to give them proper credit for that quote.

Coaches may appear cordial and polite during pre-game, but this is only a facade. In their mind You are their loosely viewed as an additional ''opponent" against their team. We, our officiating committees, and other stakeholders can come up with all types of programs and such to alleviate this antagonism; however, as long as there are winners and losers the officials will be subjected to either derision or impoliteness by coaches.

Hey your mother never told you that reffing would be easy right? I ''whack'' them, you should start getting more confident in yourself to 'whack'' the coaches. I had one coach tell me once after I whacked him, "me and you can handle this after the game in the parking lot". Yes, he said that in full earshot of everyone, I then told him "we can do that, I waiting for you after my second game". Game ended and he was nowhere to be found.

After that comment he would have got to the parking lot much earlier than I did.

JRutledge Wed Nov 05, 2014 11:44am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kansas Ref (Post 943020)
There is a natural ''antagonism" between coaches and refs. Someone on this site once said "everytime I blow my whistle one coach will be happy and the opposing coach will be mad". Wish I could find out who said that to give them proper credit for that quote.

Even if someone said it here, it probably was not the first time it was said and certainly no the only time ever stated. I have been hearing this comment for years.

Peace

Camron Rust Wed Nov 05, 2014 12:11pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 943022)
Even if someone said it here, it probably was not the first time it was said and certainly no the only time ever stated. I have been hearing this comment for years.

Peace

Exactly. I'm sure I've said it but I'm also sure I didn't create it.

Pantherdreams Wed Nov 05, 2014 02:37pm

My general rule tends to be:

If you can make a rational logical argument/disagreement as loudly or empassioned as you want.
Safe

If there is a demeaning or insulting comment made about me or my partner it doesn't matter how many people hear it. Whammy.

You can be visibily upset and react to a call so long as its your personal momentary reaction not targeted at me or to the other team/crowd. Safe

If you react and it becomes protracted or is clearly targeted to get reaction. WHammy

We can disagree on the way the game is being called because we can disagree on the way the game is being coached. We don't have to change you don't have to change but we will keep blowing the whistle the same way. Safe

We disagree and you continue to harp on it or start instructing your kids in a way that makes public mock or criticism of officials. Whammy.


In a nut shell I'm ok with loud competitive coaches that are firey but can remain clear headed when they communicate to me or about us. I don't care what your demeanour is if you can't articulate yourself without whinning, criticizing or being accusatory we're not getting along.

Kansas Ref Wed Nov 05, 2014 02:50pm

I concur, well-stated Panther!

grunewar Wed Nov 05, 2014 03:47pm

Panther - sounds like you were at my B18U Rec game this weekend - when I whacked the coach!

bainsey Wed Nov 05, 2014 04:52pm

I say it every pre-game.

"Question anything you like, as long as you're civil about it."

johnny d Wed Nov 05, 2014 05:07pm

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 943042)
I say it every pre-game.

"Question anything you like, as long as you're civil about it."


This seems like an invitation for a lot of stupid questions.

BryanV21 Wed Nov 05, 2014 05:29pm

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Originally Posted by johnny d (Post 943043)
This seems like an invitation for a lot of stupid questions.

Stupid questions can be annoying, but I'd rather a coach ask them than get frustrated and do something worthy of a tech later.

pfan1981 Wed Nov 05, 2014 06:07pm

Pregame....."If you have a question, ask nicely. If you have a comment, keep it to yourself, unless it's a compliment 😃."

Sometimes I throw in, "Coaches coach, players play, and officials officiate, any questions?" Save the best for last :D


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