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bradyhoke Sat Nov 01, 2014 06:19pm

Game Fees: What are you paid in your area?
 
Game Fees in Central Ohio are as follows:
Varsity $60 (up from $57 last season)
JV $40
Freshman $35 (up from $30 last season)
Middle School $35

What are game fees like around the country? I am very interested to see what everyone is paid.

Raymond Sat Nov 01, 2014 06:32pm

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JRutledge Sat Nov 01, 2014 06:32pm

Welcome to the forum BTW.

This is discussed every year. But to be honest, we are not payed the same across the board. It is based on school or conference.

For varsity boys basketball, it appears I will be paid around $57 to $65. I heard of one conference the other night paying $68 dollars for a varsity game.

I cannot tell you anything about lower level as right now I have no such games.

Peace

Raymond Sat Nov 01, 2014 06:34pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 942806)

That Michigan job not working out?

JRutledge Sat Nov 01, 2014 06:41pm

Nor the link BNR. :D

Peace

OKREF Sat Nov 01, 2014 07:27pm

$110 for 2 games 2 man crew.
$90-$100 for 3 man.

This is the going rate. Schools can pay whatever they want here. No set fees, except for the playoffs. We work double headers each night. Boys and girls.

bob jenkins Sat Nov 01, 2014 08:00pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 942807)
Welcome to the forum BTW.

This is discussed every year.

At least.

And, I still don't get it. It's not like I'm going to travel from IL to CT to work for $84.73 (or whatever the latest amount is).

Sure, if the rate in the next county over is more (or less) than what I usually get, that matters to me. The next state or the next time zone -- not so much.

Freddy Sat Nov 01, 2014 08:25pm

The High Life
 
$65, generally for 3-person which is all we do.
It's all relative anyway. If that rate increases it'll only get swallowed up by a new shirt or pants or additional camp or two. Regardless, with standard mileage deducted and all applicable expenses factored in, it always seems to net out to about 24.00 per game.

Mark Padgett Sat Nov 01, 2014 08:32pm

When I first started working our local kids rec league, rookie refs got $5 a game, second year refs got $7 and if you had at least three years of reffing experience, you got $9. We got checks mailed to us once a month.

We didn't get any mileage but, of course, we were riding our horses to the games because cars hadn't been invented yet.

Raymond Sat Nov 01, 2014 09:15pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 942810)
Nor the link BNR. :D

Peace

Fixed it...unlike Brady :D

JetMetFan Sat Nov 01, 2014 09:49pm

NYC Public Schools = $107.22 for Varsity (2-person). We do 3-person but only in the playoffs, starting in the QF. JV = $80.42.

Whenever NYC public school teachers get a raise, so do we. Don't ask me how that happened but I'd like to shake the hand of the person who brokered the deal.

NYC Catholic & Private Schools = $115 for Varsity (2-person)

pfan1981 Sat Nov 01, 2014 10:05pm

Varsity is $50-$60 for three man.

JV and freshman is $45-$50.

Middle school is $25/game.

If you are doing it for the money, you would be better off doing the lower levels and staying in town. Varsity around these parts can be an hour or more one way.

JRutledge Sat Nov 01, 2014 10:26pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 942818)
Fixed it...unlike Brady :D

Not so fast. I could see them winning every game until OSU. And even then they could give them a run for their money. Not over yet.

Peace

BktBallRef Sat Nov 01, 2014 10:39pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bradyhoke (Post 942804)
Game Fees in Central Ohio are as follows:
Varsity $60 (up from $57 last season)
JV $40
Freshman $35 (up from $30 last season)
Middle School $35

What are game fees like around the country? I am very interested to see what everyone is paid.

If you use the search engine above, you'll find your questions answer many times before.

Rich1 Sat Nov 01, 2014 10:42pm

Texas rates are set by the UIL as follows. I adjusted to include estimated travel fees paid which can range from $12 to $15 depending on distance the game is from a central point within your metro area.

Varsity $70
Sub varsity $55
Middle School $45

There is a plan afoot to raise pay next year but it literally will take a rewrite of an act of (Texas) congress to get it done.

Adam Sat Nov 01, 2014 11:24pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 942813)
At least.

And, I still don't get it. It's not like I'm going to travel from IL to CT to work for $84.73 (or whatever the latest amount is).

Sure, if the rate in the next county over is more (or less) than what I usually get, that matters to me. The next state or the next time zone -- not so much.

I've never understood it, either. It's going to vary by region, locality, and sometimes by conference or school. I could see some benefit if you're looking to negotiate, but even then only the information for nearby officials would be of any relevance. ADs in Iowa, for example, aren't going to care what officials are getting in New York.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Sun Nov 02, 2014 12:19am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bradyhoke (Post 942804)
Game Fees in Central Ohio are as follows:
Varsity $60 (up from $57 last season)
JV $40
Freshman $35 (up from $30 last season)
Middle School $35

What are game fees like around the country? I am very interested to see what everyone is paid.



You have to be kidding: $35 for a JrHS doubleheader. Up here in NW Ohio, the fee for a JrHS doubleheader is $50 to $55.

MTD, Sr.

BillyMac Sun Nov 02, 2014 06:44am

We Can't Compete With The Big Apple ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 942819)
NYC Public Schools = $107.22 for Varsity (2-person). JV = $80.42. Whenever NYC public school teachers get a raise, so do we.

The Constitution State:
Varsity Fee: $93.19 (per person).
Sub Varsity Fee (includes public middle schools): $60.45 (per person).
Almost all two person games.
No mileage. Longest one way trip for anyone in my little corner of Connecticut is about 50 miles. Most trips are about 15-20 miles, one way.
Board dues about $125.00 annually.
7% assignment fee.
We get a raise every year equal to the average teacher salary increase in the State of Connecticut.

BillyMac Sun Nov 02, 2014 06:48am

Inflation, Gas Prices, Supply And Demand ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 942822)
If you use the search engine above, you'll find your questions answer many times before.

I remember when I was getting paid $25.00 a game, but that was back in the early 1980's. Fees change, and will probably continue to do so. See the title of my post.

Bad Zebra Sun Nov 02, 2014 09:03am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 942833)
The Constitution State:
Varsity Fee: $93.19 (per person).
Sub Varsity Fee (includes public middle schools): $60.45 (per person).
Almost all two person games.
No mileage. Longest one way trip for anyone in my little corner of Connecticut is about 50 miles. Most trips are about 15-20 miles, one way.
Board dues about $125.00 annually.
7% assignment fee.
We get a raise every year equal to the average teacher salary increase in the State of Connecticut.

Why wouldn't they just round up or down to the nearest whole dollar amount? $93.19? What's the .19 for? Knowing CT...probably to offset a whistle tax or something equally obscure. :p

Camron Rust Sun Nov 02, 2014 01:00pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra (Post 942836)
Why wouldn't they just round up or down to the nearest whole dollar amount? $93.19? What's the .19 for? Knowing CT...probably to offset a whistle tax or something equally obscure. :p

Probably due to the yearly percentage increase tied to teacher's salaries.. Over a few years, since the rounding that would be applied to each game rather than a season total, it could lead to the loss (or gain) of several dollars per game relative to the non-rounded amount.

BillyMac Sun Nov 02, 2014 02:12pm

The Black Belt Tax Really Kills Me ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra (Post 942836)
Why wouldn't they just round up or down to the nearest whole dollar amount? Knowing CT, probably to offset a whistle tax.

Bingo. I see that you are very familiar with taxes in Connecticut. If it can be taxed, we tax it, whether it's nailed down, or not.

We're number one:

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grunewar Sun Nov 02, 2014 06:15pm

Just got my first V assignment - Kickoff Classic, 6 Dec - 3-person. $76.

Kansas Ref Sun Nov 02, 2014 11:17pm

8th grade, $47.35
Sub Varsity, $63.95
Varsity, $82.50
Catholic 8th grade, $24.00, and the school does provide an officials hospitality separated area stocked with trail mix, aquafina water bottles, and orange slices even!

BillyMac Mon Nov 03, 2014 12:02am

One-Upsmanship ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kansas Ref (Post 942863)
... and the school does provide an officials hospitality separated area stocked with trail mix, aquafina water bottles, and orange slices even!

We get cold beer after games at a private prep school here in my little corner of Connecticut.

Kansas Ref Mon Nov 03, 2014 09:58am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 942869)
We get cold beer after games at a private prep school here in my little corner of Connecticut.

*Hmmm, oh really? but I'd still prefer our trailmix, and orange slices--Catholics are such nice folks and the parish rector is there at games and also sister mary alice robers--who are also nice folks.
Next time I will go to confession.

Beer makes me piss too much, plus I'd be too worried about my public image as "official" and also very scared to get pulled over for dui driving home from the games.
But I'm sure you jest

Pantherdreams Mon Nov 03, 2014 10:41am

20-35 For all lower age groups.
Junior High 35
HIgh School 45
Adult 50
Small College 70
University 92

Travel is 38 cents/KM.

jeremy341a Mon Nov 03, 2014 03:54pm

$110 for varsity/varsity, $100 for JV/Varsity, $90 for two freshmen games, $80 for two jr. high, 50 cents mile paid to one official only.

Kansas Ref Mon Nov 03, 2014 04:22pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeremy341a (Post 942915)
$110 for varsity/varsity, $100 for JV/Varsity, $90 for two freshmen games, $80 for two jr. high, 50 cents mile paid to one official only.

*?! did you just say that "50 cent per mile was paid to ONE ref ONLY" [ in a 2 man or 3-man crew] ?!:confused: :(

too much lol!

My word! Even the Catholics do better than that! When I do their 8th grade games our crew always gets yummay orange slices, trailmix, and a blessings.

BillyMac Mon Nov 03, 2014 05:11pm

Private Prep Schools Make Up Their Own Rules ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kansas Ref (Post 942884)
... scared to get pulled over for DUI driving home from the games. But I'm sure you jest

For one beer? Nothing tastes better than an ice cold can of beer (the athletic director offers us a cooler filled with ice containing a few cans of ice cold beer, and soda) immediately after working a game.

And I'm not kidding. It's true.

JRutledge Mon Nov 03, 2014 05:25pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 942930)
For one beer? Nothing tastes better than an ice cold can of beer (the athletic director offers us a cooler filled with ice containing a few cans of ice cold beer, and soda) immediately after working a game.

And I'm not kidding. It's true.

I know you are not kidding, because I have seen this up close and personal.

There are some private schools in my area that used to do this on a regular basis. The practice was outlawed by the IHSA, but there are some rare occations this still takes place for some oldtimers. I have been offered but never took a school or AD up on this opportunity.

Peace

biggravy Mon Nov 03, 2014 08:32pm

Kansas Ref- what part of the state are you in?

Here in SE Kansas- V doubleheader BV/GV is 100/3 whistle, 115/2 whistle in the last conference that refuses to go 3. I think JV is 75/2 whistle doubleheader. No mileage.

WDEvol Tue Nov 04, 2014 12:54pm

In Alabama:
Varsity - $55/game (always 3 officials)
JV - $40/game (3); $45/game (2)
MS - $35/game (3); $40/game (2)
Clock operator (if an official) - $25/game

Mileage - $8.00 per official, flat rate ($10.00 if over 60 miles)

Most HS dates in our area consist of 3 games - JV boys, V girls, V boys - all worked by the same crew, so $150 + mileage for a night's work.

SCalScoreKeeper Tue Nov 04, 2014 01:19pm

Southern California
 
Basketball Rates-
A.Varsity 3 person-$68
B.Varsity 2 person-$72
C.Varsity 1 person-$83
D.Non-Varsity 2 person-$61
E.Non-Varsity 1 person-$70

Post season fees:
$81 a official for 2,$77 a official for 3

Finals:
$89 a official for 2,$83 a official for 3.

Mileage
51-75 miles=$13.00
76-125 miles=$19.00
126-175 miles=$31.00
176-250 miles=$43.00
251-350 miles=$55.00
351-450 miles=$73.00

Origination point is the official's home address during the regular year and the meeting place of the unit for playoffs.

jeremy341a Tue Nov 04, 2014 01:46pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kansas Ref (Post 942919)
*?! did you just say that "50 cent per mile was paid to ONE ref ONLY" [ in a 2 man or 3-man crew] ?!:confused: :(

too much lol!

My word! Even the Catholics do better than that! When I do their 8th grade games our crew always gets yummay orange slices, trailmix, and a blessings.


Yes one official only. This is an agreement of our organization with our schools. We are encouraged to ride together. If this isn't possible the officials usually work out some sort of mileage split between them. Some school will pay both officials for mileage but is not required. If the officials ride together the unwritten rule is the driving official is responsible for post game snacks and beverages.

Camron Rust Tue Nov 04, 2014 02:16pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeremy341a (Post 942982)
Yes one official only. This is an agreement of our organization with our schools. We are encouraged to ride together. If this isn't possible the officials usually work out some sort of mileage split between them. Some school will pay both officials for mileage but is not required. If the officials ride together the unwritten rule is the driving official is responsible for post game snacks and beverages.

Oregon has something similar.

The schools pay for one mileage. Each organization decides how they split it among the crew. In more rural areas it is often all to 1 who is expect to drive. In metro areas, it is often divided equally among the crew (the bigger the crew, the smaller the mileage amount) since riding together is often not feasible.

BillyMac Tue Nov 04, 2014 05:27pm

Addendum ...
 
Addendum to Connecticut:

150% game fee if an official works alone.

JetMetFan Tue Nov 04, 2014 05:36pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 942990)
Addendum to Connecticut:

150% game fee if an official works alone.

Same for NYC public schools.

SNIPERBBB Tue Nov 04, 2014 07:41pm

50-90 varsity
35-60 jv
30-50 freshman
50-80 junior high double header.

No milage and rates depend on the school.

Moosie74 Wed Nov 05, 2014 12:19pm

[QUOTE=SCalScoreKeeper;942981]Basketball Rates-
C.Varsity 1 person-$83
E.Non-Varsity 1 person-$70

Are games actually assigned with only one official or just because of an emergency and it couldn't be filled?

#olderthanilook Wed Nov 05, 2014 04:18pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 942930)
For one beer? Nothing tastes better than an ice cold can of beer (the athletic director offers us a cooler filled with ice containing a few cans of ice cold beer, and soda) immediately after working a game.

And I'm not kidding. It's true.

I've worked at a private school that has done this for our crew, as well. :cool:

BillyMac Wed Nov 05, 2014 05:22pm

What Do You Mean You Want To Keep Your Day Job ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Moosie74 (Post 943026)
Are games actually assigned with only one official or just because of an emergency and it couldn't be filled?

Here in my little corner of Connecticut, we often have difficulty assigning mid-afternoon middle school, and freshman high school, games. Rarely, they may only be assigned a single official.

The usual reason for only one official is a screwup, by the assigner, or by the an official, or a last minute illness, or injury, or other extenuating circumstances (traffic, car accident, flat tire, etc.).

We actually have some written guidelines for one person mechanics.

Moosie74 Thu Nov 06, 2014 10:41am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 943045)
Here in my little corner of Connecticut, we often have difficulty assigning mid-afternoon middle school, and freshman high school, games. Rarely, they may only be assigned a single official.

The usual reason for only one official is a screwup, by the assigner, or by the an official, or a last minute illness, or injury, or other extenuating circumstances (traffic, car accident, flat tire, etc.).

We actually have some written guidelines for one person mechanics.

I'm on boards in ME and NH and haven't started working in NH where there are considerably fewer officials available so that may indeed happen but in Maine everything from 7th grade up is always 2 person unless there is an emergency.

Games where a second official is unavailable are moved to a day/time where a second official can work.

I worked a JVG game solo for a quarter last winter due to my partner being an idiot and it wasn't easy to do. Arguably when he showed up it didn't get much better but at least I didn't have to run as many weird patterns to get coverage.

zm1283 Thu Nov 06, 2014 12:02pm

We got a $5/game raise this year for all levels. Our fees go by the quarter length.

8 min: $60
7 min: $50
6 min: $40

We add on $15 if we have to go somewhere for only one game. The vast majority of assignments are JV/V doubleheaders.

40 cents/mile for one driver, round trip. We will split mileage if both people have to drive for some reason, but we usually ride together.

I'm not sure about football, but most of the other sports got similar raises this school year. I know softball and baseball went to $60 for varsity games and $50 for JV games.

PIAA REF Sat Nov 08, 2014 10:11pm

Northern PA
 
Varsity: 67 3 person crew
JV: 49 I think, 2 person crew
7/8/9 single game 44 2 person
7/8/9/ double header 73 2 person crew
No mileage

johnny1784 Sun Nov 09, 2014 01:09pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bad zebra (Post 942836)
why wouldn't they just round up or down to the nearest whole dollar amount? $93.19? What's the .19 for? Knowing ct...probably to offset a whistle tax or something equally obscure. :p

lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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