Originally Posted by Kansas Ref (Post 942523)

Coach approached me during the FT administration near scorer table, looking quizzical and asked "hey ref, don't we get a warning first, ai'nt the first call a warning?" I replied, " we don't issue warnings for violations, and that type of violation is well-known in the game".

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 942524)

But, on a similar play (reaching through without touching) you do get a warning.

So, I would have answered along the lines of "If you reach through and don't touch the ball, you get the warning. But, once you make contact, it's an immediate T."

Originally Posted by wjc3 (Post 942532)

Pre-Season high school league.
Incoming substitute (A6) was walking to the table during a live ball. The ball went bouncing towards the sideline off of B team and A6 touches the live ball. He did not catch the ball "on purpose" but more out of a reaction. B1 had a chance to make a play on the ball before it went out of bounds.
I conferred with my partner and we awarded the ball to the B team for a sidline throw-in.

Things we considered since we did not know the exact rule: intent, advantage gained, bench personnel.

Thoughts??

Originally Posted by wjc3 (Post 942535)

A6 was out of bounds, but B1 would have been able to save the ball. A6 took away B1's advantage by grabbing the ball right in front of him.

Originally Posted by wjc3 (Post 942535)

A6 was out of bounds, but B1 would have been able to save the ball. A6 took away B1's advantage by grabbing the ball right in front of him.

Originally Posted by Smitty (Post 942539)

You don't know what would have happened if A6 had not touched the ball (from normal reaction - not intent to change the play - those are your words). You only said that B1 had a chance to make a play. How do you know B1 wouldn't have fumbled the ball out of bounds anyway? Regardless, it doesn't matter. What actually happened is the only thing that matters. What didn't happen is irrelevant.

Originally Posted by wjc3 (Post 942535)

A6 was out of bounds, but B1 would have been able to save the ball. A6 took away B1's advantage by grabbing the ball right in front of him.

Originally Posted by zm1283 (Post 942533)

Was A6 standing out of bounds? If so, and the ball touches him, the ball is out of bounds at that point.

Originally Posted by wjc3 (Post 942553)

Thanks for the rules clarification.
But what if a bench player purposely got off the bench and interfered with the play?
What would you have then?
Technical foul for unsporting conduct?

Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 942557)

Let's see...

I too called a tech for reaching across the plane and contacting the ball this summer.

*Glad to see that!

Partner explained a call to a coach, partner turned away to run to Lead and coach waved him off behind his back. I saw it, coach got whacked.

*Great crew unity!

Partner rung up a coach and I went to Lead tableside to administer the FT's. Sure enough the kid bricked the first one and it bounced right to the freshly whacked coach. As I was walking toward him to get the ball he threw it to my partner across the court. Wish I could say I tossed him but I didn't :(

*Ohhh if I only had enough space here to list all of my "regrets/second-thoughts" over the years....thanks for sharing.

Had a play where a player ran OOB along the endline and came back into the corner, received a pass, and nailed a three. Didn\'t call it. :mad:

*You patiently observed the play from start, progression, completion and nailed it!

Had a held ball off the opening tip before team control had been established. Re-jumped with the players involved in the held ball.

*quite rare occurrence!

Kid threw the ball at me over his shoulder; on purpose. He got DQ\'d.

*a bit Harsh, no? but hey they players/coaches prolly had you well-pissed off by that time I sure!