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Freddy Thu Oct 09, 2014 01:22pm

10-6-12 Top Ten
 
Top Ten Reasons . . . why some officials won't conform to calling it according to new rule 10-6-12 this season:

1. "Those are only game interrupters."
2. "I don't like the coaches yelling, 'C'mon, let 'em play out there!'"
3. "What, are they taking 4-27-1,2,3 out of the book next?"
4. "I ain't callin' those ticky-tack fouls."
5. "Out on the perimeter, this kind of contact poses no ad-/disadvantage."
6. "Some teams won't have enough players to finish with five!"
7. "We'll let the players set the tone and try to fit into their style of play."
8. "If the dribbler can play through it, we ain't gonna call it."
9. "This game is gonna take all night if we call it as written."
10. "Great for 'North-South'; doesn't seem to apply for 'East-West'."
Bonus Reason: "They put out new rule books this year?"

bob jenkins Thu Oct 09, 2014 02:21pm

In IL we had rules similar to this last year (actually, they were more strict).

Yes, the first night was a mess.

Yes, the first week the games ran a little long.

By the end of the first month, almost all had adjusted.

it helped that "all" the coaches and "all" the officials got the same memos and videos and powerpoints -- in general the early complaining was about the rule itself, not about how the officials were calling it.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Thu Oct 09, 2014 03:15pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 941393)
Top Ten Reasons . . . why some officials won't conform to calling it according to new rule 10-6-12 this season:

1. "Those are only game interrupters."
2. "I don't like the coaches yelling, 'C'mon, let 'em play out there!'"
3. "What, are they taking 4-27-1,2,3 out of the book next?"
4. "I ain't callin' those ticky-tack fouls."
5. "Out on the perimeter, this kind of contact poses no ad-/disadvantage."
6. "Some teams won't have enough players to finish with five!"
7. "We'll let the players set the tone and try to fit into their style of play."
8. "If the dribbler can play through it, we ain't gonna call it."
9. "This game is gonna take all night if we call it as written."
10. "Great for 'North-South'; doesn't seem to apply for 'East-West'."
Bonus Reason: "They put out new rule books this year?"


I do not understand why this rule will be difficult to enforce. Everything listed in NFHS R1-S6-A12 has been a foul since before 1962-63 (and that includes the NCAA). Put air in the whistle the first time it happens, then put air in the whistle the second time it happens, etc., etc., etc. Eventually the players and coaches will get the idea.

MTD, Sr.

JetMetFan Thu Oct 09, 2014 03:17pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 941393)
Top Ten Reasons . . . why some officials won't conform to calling it according to new rule 10-6-12 this season:

1. "Those are only game interrupters."
2. "I don't like the coaches yelling, 'C'mon, let 'em play out there!'"
3. "What, are they taking 4-27-1,2,3 out of the book next?"
4. "I ain't callin' those ticky-tack fouls."
5. "Out on the perimeter, this kind of contact poses no ad-/disadvantage."
6. "Some teams won't have enough players to finish with five!"
7. "We'll let the players set the tone and try to fit into their style of play."
8. "If the dribbler can play through it, we ain't gonna call it."
9. "This game is gonna take all night if we call it as written."
10. "Great for 'North-South'; doesn't seem to apply for 'East-West'."
Bonus Reason: "They put out new rule books this year?"

:D

Top 10 reasons why officials will adhere to 10-6-12:

1-10. (channeling my BV assignor) "You don't have to call it. You also don't have to work."

JRutledge Thu Oct 09, 2014 04:17pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 941397)
In IL we had rules similar to this last year (actually, they were more strict).

Yes, the first night was a mess.

Yes, the first week the games ran a little long.

By the end of the first month, almost all had adjusted.

it helped that "all" the coaches and "all" the officials got the same memos and videos and powerpoints -- in general the early complaining was about the rule itself, not about how the officials were calling it.

It was actually coaches that made this easy. Because if you called a foul on their kid, they would tell the kid, "You cannot do that anymore, move your feet." So this became mostly a non-issue the entire year. I did have one team in the playoffs that tried to make an issue, but they were not going to win anyway and it really made little difference. ;)

Peace

just another ref Thu Oct 09, 2014 05:00pm

Coaches tend to personalize this. "He's not gonna let you do that tonight."

Camron Rust Thu Oct 09, 2014 08:38pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 941412)
I do not understand why this rule will be difficult to enforce.
MTD, Sr.

It shouldn't be difficult but some will just refuse to go with it. I know too many people that think the best game is the one where they can get by with calling as little as possible, even if the players engage in sumo bouts every time down the court as long as the player eventually gets by or at least doesn't lose the ball.

They are the same ones that made it necessary to spell it out in black and white after years of POEs telling them to clean it up. They just don't get that the POEs were directed at them.

Freddy Fri Oct 10, 2014 03:16am

Bingo!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 941423)
It shouldn't be difficult but some will just refuse to go with it. I know too many people that think the best game is the one where they can get by with calling as little as possible, even if the players engage in sumo bouts every time down the court as long as the player eventually gets by or at least doesn't lose the ball.

They are the same ones that made it necessary to spell it out in black and white after years of POEs telling them to clean it up. They just don't get that the POEs were directed at them.

This is the precise reason for the original tongue-in-cheek post. Those who are tasked with the responsibility of training groups of officials will likely face the usual push-back or lack of attention from those indifferent to the change or because not everyone would "get the memo". (Not really much of a change, actually. That which is included in 10-6-12 had alwys been illegal contact, right? The matter simply codified in concrete words what should be called as "absolutes" or "automatics", is what it seems they did). But at risk is the consistency that an association or an assigning pool would like to exhibit through all its officials. For those in that position, I wish you the best with this effort this preseason.

grunewar Fri Oct 10, 2014 07:10am

I'm in the middle of a B18U Fall Rec League that is traditionally very tough and physical. As has been stated, I really believe enforcing the rule and being consistent has helped clean-up these games. Players and coaches seem to enjoy the freedom of movement this now allows and have become quite aware of what they can/can not do. Looking forward to the scholastic season.

Refk Fri Oct 10, 2014 09:55am

Tuesday had two teams first game of the year . A very long night, had the same home team last night and everything went smooth. Home coach told me they had spent almost their entire practice going over the rules again. I could see the kids working hard to keep hands off the ball handler .


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