2014 NFHS part 1 test?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Speaking of the test. This question was a topic of discussion. Some said yes, some said no.

A player control foul by the airborne shooter can occur after the ball is dead.

Uhm, you had officials saying no?

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by Adam

Uhm, you had officials saying no?

Yes sir. I said the answer was true. Some held fast.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Yes sir. I said the answer was true. Some held fast.

Going off of memory here, but showing them the definition of a PC foul, as well as when a ball becomes dead should resolve this.

[SNIPERBBB]

Careful...

B1 obtains a legal position in A1's path before A1 becomes airborne. A1 jumps and releases the ball on a try for goal. Before returning to the floor, airborne shooter A1 charges into B1. (a) Before the foul by A1, B2 commits basket interference; or (b) after the foul on A1, B2 slaps the ball on its downward flight.

RULING: In (a), both the violation and the foul are penalized. The basket interference by B2 causes the ball to become dead immediately. The violation is penalized by awarding the two points. The player-control foul on A1 is also charged. Team B is awarded the ball for a throw-in anywhere along the end line. A defensive-goaltending or basket-interference violation committed prior to a player-control foul does not contradict the general statement that when a player-control foul occurs that player cannot score. In the case of a defensive violation, it is the violation which results in awarding the score. In (b), the ball becomes dead and the try ends immediately when the player-control foul on A1 occurs. The action of B2 is ignored as goaltending cannot occur after the try has ended. The ball is awarded to Team B for a throw-in from a designated spot out of bounds closest to where the foul occurred. (4-12-1; 6-7-4; 6-7-9 Exception; 7-5-4a; 9-11)

[Robert E. Harrison]

Are you saying on a dunk (the ball is dead after it goes through the basket) and subsequent PC foul by airborne shooter (before returning to the floor) contacting a defender that acquired LGP before shooter went airborne cannot happen?

In this scenario ball is dead and PC foul occurs. Am I missing something?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Robert E. Harrison

Are you saying on a dunk (the ball is dead after it goes through the basket) and subsequent PC foul by airborne shooter (before returning to the floor) contacting a defender that acquired LGP before shooter went airborne cannot happen?

In this scenario ball is dead and PC foul occurs. Am I missing something?

No, we're saying this is the precise situation where a PC foul can be called for contact that occurs while the ball is dead.

"Some," however, apparently disagree in Oklahoma.

(I'm guessing "some" are not just in OK.)

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by Adam

No, we're saying this is the precise situation where a PC foul can be called for contact that occurs while the ball is dead.

"Some," however, apparently disagree in Oklahoma.

(I'm guessing "some" are not just in OK.)

I just want to clarify. I am on the right side of the fence on this.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Adam

No, we're saying this is the precise situation where a PC foul can be called for contact that occurs while the ball is dead.

"Some," however, apparently disagree in Oklahoma.

(I'm guessing "some" are not just in OK.)

And that is not the only case where the rules would allow for a PC to be called on an airborne shooter after the ball is dead. There are other ways, albeit unlikely, to make the ball dead before a shooter lands.

[junruh07]

Originally Posted by Adam

Going off of memory here, but showing them the definition of a PC foul, as well as when a ball becomes dead should resolve this.

Or you could just show them 4-19-1, the definition of a foul. "A personal foul is a player foul which involves illegal contact with an opponent while the ball is live, which hinders an opponent from performing normal defensive and offensive movements. A personal foul also includes contact by or on an airborne shooter when the ball is dead"

I would think that would clear it up for them. Unless they really don't care what the rule book says.