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MelbRef Sat Jul 19, 2014 08:55am

Tipped ball - double dribble?
 
I should probably know this, but had this situation yesterday and wanted opinions.

Ballhandler goes into air to make a pass.
Ball tipped out of his hands.
Ballhandler catches the ball while in the air and returns to the floor.

What do you have?

AremRed Sat Jul 19, 2014 09:04am

Quote:

Originally Posted by MelbRef (Post 938003)
I should probably know this, but had this situation yesterday and wanted opinions.

Ballhandler goes into air to make a pass.
Ball tipped out of his hands.
Ballhandler catches the ball while in the air and returns to the floor.

What do you have?

Nothing.

Adam Sat Jul 19, 2014 09:35am

Quote:

Originally Posted by MelbRef (Post 938003)
I should probably know this, but had this situation yesterday and wanted opinions.

Ballhandler goes into air to make a pass.
Ball tipped out of his hands.
Ballhandler catches the ball while in the air and returns to the floor.

What do you have?

An apoplectic coach.

Stat-Man Sat Jul 19, 2014 10:36am

Quote:

Originally Posted by MelbRef (Post 938003)
I should probably know this, but had this situation yesterday and wanted opinions.

Ballhandler goes into air to make a pass.
Ball tipped out of his hands.
Ballhandler catches the ball while in the air and returns to the floor.

What do you have?

If the ball was tipped by the defense, I've got nothing.

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Adam Sat Jul 19, 2014 11:27am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stat-Man (Post 938007)
If the ball was tipped by the defense, I've got nothing.

Thinking for a bit on whether it matters who tipped it.

Raymond Sat Jul 19, 2014 12:16pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam (Post 938008)
Thinking for a bit on whether it matters who tipped it.

It doesn't. Just need to be aware of how the feet land to identify the pivot foot.

BillyMac Sat Jul 19, 2014 01:28pm

Tip Toe Through The Tulips ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MelbRef (Post 938003)
Ballhandler goes into air to make a pass. Ball tipped out of his hands. Ballhandler catches the ball while in the air and returns to the floor.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam (Post 938008)
Thinking for a bit on whether it matters who tipped it.

9-5: Illegal Dribble: A player shall not dribble a second time after his/her first dribble has ended, unless it is after he/she has lost control because of:
ART. 1 A try for field goal.
ART. 2 A touch by an opponent.
ART. 3 A pass or fumble which has then touched, or been touched by,
another player.

Raymond Sat Jul 19, 2014 01:57pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 938013)
9-5: Illegal Dribthe ballble: A player shall not dribble a second time after his/her first dribble has ended, unless it is after he/she has lost control because of:
ART. 1 A try for field goal.
ART. 2 A touch by an opponent.
ART. 3 A pass or fumble which has then touched, or been touched by,
another player.

Are we discussing dribbling or catching the ball?

The OP makes no mention of a dribble, either before or after the aborted pass.

BryanV21 Sat Jul 19, 2014 02:47pm

I believe the real question is "has player control ended due to the tip?" I think the answer is "yes."

Adam Sat Jul 19, 2014 02:56pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanV21 (Post 938015)
I believe the real question is "has player control ended due to the tip?" I think the answer is "yes."

I think the answer doesn't matter here. The tip isn't necessary unless the player has previously dribbled and dribbles again.

BryanV21 Sat Jul 19, 2014 03:00pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam (Post 938016)
I think the answer doesn't matter here. The tip isn't necessary unless the player has previously dribbled and dribbles again.

Since the player jumped in the air to make a pass then he'd have to lose control of the ball before landing, otherwise we'd have a travel.

Adam Sat Jul 19, 2014 03:04pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanV21 (Post 938017)
Since the player jumped in the air to make a pass then he'd have to lose control of the ball before landing, otherwise we'd have a travel.

Is a tip required in order to lose player control?

BryanV21 Sat Jul 19, 2014 03:07pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam (Post 938018)
Is a tip required in order to lose player control?

No, but in the OP it WAS tipped. Hence the question.

Adam Sat Jul 19, 2014 03:11pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanV21 (Post 938019)
No, but in the OP it WAS tipped. Hence the question.

Fair enough. I was just expanding the discussion.

BryanV21 Sat Jul 19, 2014 03:12pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam (Post 938020)
Fair enough. I was just expanding the discussion.

That's cool. Your response made it sound otherwise.


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