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pfan1981 Tue Jun 03, 2014 01:14pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 935381)
I call as many fouls on illegal screens as anyone, this looks legal to me. The screener is preparing for the contact and it appears no one called out the screen for the defender.

I got nothing. And I think the fact that this is a women's game is why this was called. The defender was not moving that fast and you can give them one or two steps and this was enough time and distance IMO.

Peace


With all that contact, wouldn't you have something? I agree, it is a legal screen. In our area, we were instructed to watch for teams blowing up screens. I believe this clip meets that criteria. Shouldn't the defender be punished with a foul?

pfan

Blindolbat Tue Jun 03, 2014 01:16pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 935381)
I call as many fouls on illegal screens as anyone, this looks legal to me. The screener is preparing for the contact and it appears no one called out the screen for the defender.

I got nothing. And I think the fact that this is a women's game is why this was called. The defender was not moving that fast and you can give them one or two steps and this was enough time and distance IMO.

Peace

This for me. I think our angle on the reply was better than what the calling official had, so I don't think the left arm came into play on her call at all.

IUgrad92 Tue Jun 03, 2014 01:29pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrutledge (Post 935381)
i call as many fouls on illegal screens as anyone, this looks legal to me. The screener is preparing for the contact and it appears no one called out the screen for the defender.

I got nothing. And i think the fact that this is a women's game is why this was called. The defender was not moving that fast and you can give them one or two steps and this was enough time and distance imo.

Peace

+1

JRutledge Tue Jun 03, 2014 02:11pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by pfan1981 (Post 935387)
With all that contact, wouldn't you have something? I agree, it is a legal screen. In our area, we were instructed to watch for teams blowing up screens. I believe this clip meets that criteria. Shouldn't the defender be punished with a foul?

pfan

The level of contact has nothing to do with the legality of a screen. If a screener is setting a legal screen, it certainly cannot be a foul on the player setting the screen for sure. And the only one technically displaced is the defender and that would only be a foul if you determine they were not given the correct time and distance.

Peace

rockyroad Tue Jun 03, 2014 02:57pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by pfan1981 (Post 935387)
With all that contact, wouldn't you have something? I agree, it is a legal screen. In our area, we were instructed to watch for teams blowing up screens. I believe this clip meets that criteria. Shouldn't the defender be punished with a foul?

pfan

How does this play fit the definition of "blowing up the screen"??

The only thing blown up here is the defender...

MD Longhorn Tue Jun 03, 2014 02:59pm

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Originally Posted by pfan1981 (Post 935387)
With all that contact

I stopped reading here. If you're starting with a premise that "all that contact" should be part of your criteria, then you're doing it wrong.

bainsey Tue Jun 03, 2014 03:05pm

Illegal. Not enough time/distance given for the defender, screener was still moving forward within that window.

Adam Tue Jun 03, 2014 03:18pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by pfan1981 (Post 935387)
With all that contact, wouldn't you have something? I agree, it is a legal screen. In our area, we were instructed to watch for teams blowing up screens. I believe this clip meets that criteria. Shouldn't the defender be punished with a foul?

pfan

Did she in anyway blow up the screener before getting knocked on her ass?

Camron Rust Tue Jun 03, 2014 03:24pm

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no one called out the screen for the defender
Quote:

Originally Posted by IUgrad92 (Post 935389)
+1

Not sure what that has to do with it being legal or not.

JRutledge Tue Jun 03, 2014 03:44pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 935404)
Not sure what that has to do with it being legal or not.

It doesn't from our point of view. But if you are going to call a screen illegal because of the amount of contact, then it does matter why that contact took place. It is not a foul just because the contact is violent or severe on the player setting the screen. And he was responding to the comment that suggested a foul was illegal only because of the nature of contact, not the legality of the screen.

Peace

AremRed Tue Jun 03, 2014 04:18pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by pfan1981 (Post 935387)
With all that contact, wouldn't you have something? I agree, it is a legal screen. In our area, we were instructed to watch for teams blowing up screens. I believe this clip meets that criteria. Shouldn't the defender be punished with a foul?

What did the defender do wrong?

JetMetFan Tue Jun 03, 2014 04:26pm

Slo-mo of the slo-mo (video)
 
There weren't any other angles of the play but here's a slo-mo of the slo-mo so we can comparison shop...


<iframe width="853" height="480" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/H1E8PuMvT3c?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

BillyMac Tue Jun 03, 2014 04:28pm

Illegal Screen ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 935402)
Illegal. Not enough time/distance given for the defender, screener was still moving forward within that window.

Agree. Watching this video over, and over, including some stop action, I believe that from the time that the screener stopped moving forward, the defender was allowed about 7/8 of a step to change direction, and attempt to avoid contact with the screener. At the speed that the defender was moving, I believe that the screener should have allowed the defender the two step maximum (dictated by rule), allowing the defender the time, and distance, to change direction, and attempt to avoid contact with the screener.

I don't see a problem with the forearm. Bad angle for me, and maybe the screener was just protecting herself, or maybe the forearm moved up as a result of the impact resulting from the contact.

I'm gender neutral on this. I'm calling it the same way in a boys, or girls, game.

BillyMac Tue Jun 03, 2014 04:31pm

Agree ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 935382)
I just continue to find it fascinating that even with the comfort of slow motion, repetitive instant replays, we can continue to have differing opinions on the same call ...

... and it amazes me that we can get anything right, on the court, in a real game, in real time.

How do we all do it? And get paid for doing it? And get invited back to do more games?

JetMetFan Tue Jun 03, 2014 04:49pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by pfan1981 (Post 935387)
With all that contact, wouldn't you have something? I agree, it is a legal screen. In our area, we were instructed to watch for teams blowing up screens. I believe this clip meets that criteria. Shouldn't the defender be punished with a foul?

pfan

Quote:

Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 935411)
What did the defender do wrong?

Or this version of the question: What did Diggins do to put Langhorne at a disadvantage?


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