The HS rule is not the same as the NCAA-W's rule. Your wording changes the HS rule.

Why would you change the rule?

The only requirements other than the first spot and the 4-2 breakdown, is the fact that the offense is allowed to be in the second spot unless the offensive players vacates that spot. No reason to change the wording for that issue that is so rare in the first place.

Peace

A coupe of years ago I had a team try to slip a third offensive player into a vacant spot. Coach wasn't too thrilled when I didn't allow it.

I have never had that happen for some reason. I am surprised it does not happen, but never had it take place.

Peace

Sorry guys. I broke my "posting before 8AM" rule and misread the case play. Even worse because I know the NFHS rule is different from the NCAAW rule and I had that in my head as I typed the last post :(

The lesson here is ALWAYS count (especially in these situations).

Even though you will not be counting 10 seconds once the ball is controlled in the backcourt, since it is an end-of-period scenario, a simple count will nonetheless come in handy when this inevitably comes up.

The only reason I know is because it's happened to me. Won't get burned like that again.

Huddle up with partner before the final play (if a timeout precedes it) and just let your VISIBLE count do the work. That way, in addition to having definite knowledge, you won't have to stop the game at its most critical juncture and penalize a team for timekeeper incompetence.

So you will do a visible count in low-clock situations when none is required by rule?

Are you saying there is something wrong with this? I try to have a count in this situation, but it may not be visible. If it is visible it would obviously be easier to sell. As opposed to:

"Aw, he's just making stuff up now!"

Absolutely! If there is a clock error which I correct, there will be clear video evidence of my count.

Nope. I will count, but it will not be visible unless it is one of the required visible counts.

One Mississippi, Two Mississippi, Three Mississippi ...
 

What rule states that you don't have a visible count? Citation please.

NFHS 2-7-9: The officials shall conduct the game in accordance with the rules. This includes: Silently and visibly counting seconds to administer the throw-in (7-6), free-throw (8-4; 9-1-3a), backcourt (9-8) and closely-guarded (9-10) rules.

Now if you meant to say mechanics, under which high school mechanics set does it state not to have a visible count when the clock is under ten seconds? Citation please.

Agree. I count every time.

A canp evaluator, several years ago, stated that a backcourt count with fewer than 10 seconds remaining, indicated a lack of game/time awareness. So, since then, in HS games, I use a non-visible count in such situations.

I do. If I'm going to have to end the quarter or adjust the clock in this situation (I've done both), I'd rather have video evidence that supports my decision.

No.

Never said it was not allowed, just that it was not required.