Paul George concussion

[Nevadaref]

Two points:
1. ESPN article saying that George told the Pacers docs that he was fine and only confessed to blurry vision and a hurting head later, plus the NBA said that the policy was followed: 2014 NBA playoffs -- Paul George of Indiana Pacers says he's symptom-free after concussion - ESPN

2. Kornheiser and Wilbon from their PTI show note in the video on the same page as the above story that the NBA policy was NOT followed as George was not taken to a quiet place to be examined. He was questioned on the bench during the TO.

Lastly, who couldn't tell that this player was unconscious? That should have triggered a serious examination and return-to-play protocol.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Lastly, who couldn't tell that this player was unconscious? That should have triggered a serious examination and return-to-play protocol.

I am not a doctor and I would have had not idea considering how players fall and act like they are killed. If anything it looked like a typical play without the slow motion video.

Again, I do not see the big deal. This is a sport that rarely has these kinds of incidents where it is obvious to those that is even an issue. It is more of an issue in a sport like football where you immediately think of those kinds of injuries.

Peace

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am not a doctor and I would have had not idea considering how players fall and act like they are killed. If anything it looked like a typical play without the slow motion video.

Again, I do not see the big deal. This is a sport that rarely has these kinds of incidents where it is obvious to those that is even an issue. It is more of an issue in a sport like football where you immediately think of those kinds of injuries.

1. Could someone please translate the part in red.

2. How do you tell if a player is knocked unconscious in football, since you state that it [suffering a concussion] is more of an issue in that sport?

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

1. Could someone please translate the part in red.

2. How do you tell if a player is knocked unconscious in football, since you state that it [suffering a concussion] is more of an issue in that sport?

JRut can correct me if I am wrong, but I think he means if he were a doctor he would not consider how a player fell or ended up on the ground to be a sign of a concussion. Players can hit the ground hard and not get concussed or hit the ground soft and get concussed. You can't tell just from the fall whether a player has a concussion or not -- only the concussion protocol can do that.

PS: Jeez Nevadaref delete some of your PM's already so I can PM you a soccer question.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by AremRed

JRut can correct me if I am wrong, but I think he means if he were a doctor he would not consider how a player fell or ended up on the ground to be a sign of a concussion. Players can hit the ground hard and not get concussed or hit the ground soft and get concussed. You can't tell just from the fall whether a player has a concussion or not -- only the concussion protocol can do that.

PS: Jeez Nevadaref delete some of your PM's already so I can PM you a soccer question.

The question which I asked and to which Rut responded was not if the player was concussed, but if he was unconscious. I don't believe it takes a doctor to determine that!

I'll delete my PMs this weekend.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

The question which I asked and to which Rut responded was not if the player was concussed, but if he was unconscious. I don't believe it takes a doctor to determine that!

I'll delete my PMs this weekend.

It takes a doctor to determine or at least a Physical Trainer to determine these things, not an official. Even in the NF policy it only asks officials to remove players from the game, we do not determine if they have or do not have a concussion.

I have had football games where they individual was wobbling off the field when medical personnell attended to them only to be told, "They do not have a concussion." And nothing I saw in this game with George looked any worse or over the top to what I have seen on the football field. And it is very possible that George was concussed and needed to not play, but it sounds like there is very little consideration in basketball as it relates to football.

Peace

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I'll delete my PMs this weekend.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

1. Could someone please translate the part in red.

2. How do you tell if a player is knocked unconscious in football, since you state that it [suffering a concussion] is more of an issue in that sport?

Players constantly exaggerate the effects of contact by laying on the floor, much in the same manner that George did. Short of actually seeing the knee hit George's head, trainers, in a sport where concussions are not in the forefront like it football, would not jump to unconsciousness.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

1. Could someone please translate the part in red.

It was a typo trying to edit my original comments.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

2. How do you tell if a player is knocked unconscious in football, since you state that it [suffering a concussion] is more of an issue in that sport?

All we do in football (at least at the HS level) is take out players based on the symptoms stated in the guidelines. Football has a lot more heavy collisions and it is often more obvious when players are hurt. And even many contact is not always head related. All we can do is observe behavior and some of the symptoms of concussions are also heat related conditions. After a Health Care Professional sees them, we allow them to tell us if the player is allowed to play. Who that persons are, is up to the IHSA and the school. The IHSA follows up on if state procedures and laws are followed.

Peace

[grunewar]

2014 NBA playoffs -- Paul George of Indiana Pacers cleared to face Miami Heat in Game 3 - ESPN

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

2. Kornheiser and Wilbon from their PTI show note in the video on the same page as the above story that the NBA policy was NOT followed as George was not taken to a quiet place to be examined. He was questioned on the bench during the TO.

Lastly, who couldn't tell that this player was unconscious? That should have triggered a serious examination and return-to-play protocol.

If George was asked the evaluation questions while sitting on the bench and responded "properly" and if he didn't show any signs, symptoms or behaviors consistent with a concussion why would there have been a need to take him to a quiet place to be examined?

As to "who couldn't tell...(he) was unconscious": Staying down on the court for a long time means there was a loss of consciousness? One of my sons suffered a concussion at 13 while playing baseball (a bat him him in the side of the jaw while he was playing catcher). He didn't show any of the signs/symptoms/behaviors until 45 minutes later when I got him home. It's not an exact science.